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I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by roenxi »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #68
II2II wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The virus is dangerous, albeit not in the way that most people think. Our institutions, like health care and education, have been running so close to the edge for so long that the added pressure is pushing them over the edge. Before the pandemic, teachers would show up to work sick since they knew there may not be a substitute to take their place (and certainly not a substitute who would ensure continuity in teaching…

Fair analysis. But why is this (truth) so far from the narrative? At some point there needs to be accountablity. I understand that might not be right now. But the list of names and institutions should start sooner rather than later.

And a supplementary question: Is this what the people making the decisions actually think, or is this being projected on them by II2II?

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by fourseventy »

beardedwizard wrote: post #23
fourseventy wrote: post #13

How many students that got sick are experiencing symptoms more severe than the common cold? It seems like the chaos is caused by the attempted solutions to covid and not the actual symptoms? Edit: 7 day rolling average of COVID cases according to https://www1.nyc.gov/ is 32k cases per day with 38 deaths. So there is a 0.1% mortality rate.

You are failing to consider the spread to vulnerable populations where the symptoms are fatal. Omicron is not mild, people with vaccines have mild symptoms due to its efficacy. All these kids come home to families with parents and grandparents. They also have young siblings.

No I'm not. Look at the data. Where are all these supposed deaths?

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by gus_massa »

II2II wrote: post #46
tomp wrote: post #16

This exemplifies the worst part of this pandemic - the mind virus . A lot of people in the society are LARPing (pretending) that the virus is serious - staying home, testing constantly, "close contact notifications", "running away from a positive student" - yet at the same time, acting as if it's obviously not a dangerous virus - if it were, they'd all be staying away from each other . Basically new "security theatre…

The virus is dangerous, albeit not in the way that most people think. Our institutions, like health care and education, have been running so close to the edge for so long that the added pressure is pushing them over the edge. Before the pandemic, teachers would show up to work sick since they knew there may not be a substitute to take their place (and certainly not a substitute who would ensure continuity in teaching…

> Our institutions, like health care and education, have been running so close to the edge

Do you have some hard numbers about this? Here in Buenos Aires we had a big wave in July 2021, and we had a daily report of the ICU occupation rate and at the peak it was like 95%. We delayed some medical procedures to keep the number under 100% and there was a huge discussion about increasing the lockdown. Lucky, we keep the number under 100%. Now we have a new big omicron wave, but the ICU occupation rate is still low, finger crossed.

> Before the pandemic, nurses would work marathon shifts

We have the same problem here. I don't understand how it's consider to be sane.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by rdl »

This sounds like some kind of incarceration or at best day care program, rather than actual learning. Unclear if that is the baseline for schools vs something specific to a Covid surge. I don’t have children but if I were to do so I don’t think I would put them in a schoool like this for 12+ years.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by 0xCMP »

fourseventy wrote: post #80
0xCMP wrote: post #63

From the description it seems like a good problem to solve is "how do we get students the support they needed in 2020 while not creating a dangerous situation?" they should treat homerooms as the place students stay all day to attend classes semi-remotely. This allows teachers to work while quarantining and students to keep learning if at home temporarily. An issue with covid is it spreads so fast but symptoms may be…

COVID is not dangerous to students. Look up the number of deaths of people under the age of 18 due to COVID. It's basically nothing.

To put a bunch of students in a crowded auditorium and fears of a spreading virus as the student described... seems unnecessarily dangerous. Just purely from a crowd control perspective.

To allow students to spread the virus and infect staff without intervention is negligent.

This isn't even accounting for unknown long term effects and recent studies suggesting kids with covid are more likely to be type 1/2 diabetic.

So something has to be done and what is being done is suboptimal. Students need support. They are, as you mention, unlikely to die but still not possible to allow known spread.

Re: I am a New York City public high school student. The situation is beyond control

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Post by mbg721 »

in_cahoots wrote: post #10
brohoolio wrote: post #9

I don’t understand why remote learning during this surge isn’t acceptable. I’ve seen opinion piece after opinion piece go on and on about how we need to have kids in school. The pieces attack school officials or teachers but complete ignore the logistics of having so many sick teachers. There aren’t enough subs to cover for the teachers. We know this surge will die down in 4-6 weeks. It’s a perfect time to pivot to r…

People are afraid that if districts go remote it’ll be a repeat of 2020, where there was no consensus of when it was safe to go back to in-person schooling. There is distrust on both sides (the teachers and the school district/parents) and I can’t see them agreeing on a rubric at this point in time. Yet another way Covid is exposing the divisions in our society.

It not so much a lack of consensus; school officials burnt every scrap of goodwill they had by forcing parents to scramble and do multiple things at once, and they don't yet realize they're overplaying their hand. You're right that it reveals divisions, but one of those is that anybody who can opt out by homeschooling or using private/religious schools that aren't closing their doors is doing that.
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