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We do not break userspace (2012)

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Re: We do not break userspace (2012)

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Post by max002 »

hackandtrip wrote: post #9

I may be an average corporate backend dev, but if anyone I work with would react in this way after any kind of mistake I did, I would report the situation / leave immediately. Honest feedback is surely key to keep quality, innovation, and skills high - the thread has indeed a few lines of honest feedback (don't break user-space, wrong error) and the rest are just insults. I am pretty sure it goes against the Code of…

And what about all users that got their code fucked up? Yeah, that return statement was just a joke. Goes aggainst all good practices of programming.

Re: We do not break userspace (2012)

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Post by superinterwebs »

framecowbird wrote: post #17
sva_ wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is, if his attitude has had an impact on the longevity and success of his projects.

I think his attitude of quality and direct feedback is good and definitely contributed to the success of his projects. But even so, why can't we still call him out on his callous and offense delivery? There are better ways of saying what he said in his post. You don't have to be an asshole to be direct. You can still be respectful.

no we don't, when some one is a cunt you have to call it

Re: We do not break userspace (2012)

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Post by matheusmoreira »

isoprophlex wrote: post #15
trollied wrote: post #8

The reply to Linus: https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/12/23/87

Whoa, that's actually pretty classy. I myself could never maintain that level of cool in the face of an all caps yellfest. No matter how right or wrong either party is, it takes some serious levelheadedness to respond like that.

Mauro is really nice. I worked briefly with him when I contributed a patch for the ZBar barcode reader. It was the best experience I had contributing to free and open source software. I'm really thankful for his work.

https://github.com/mchehab/zbar/pull/64

Re: We do not break userspace (2012)

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Post by tailspin2019 »

skywal_l wrote: post #18
isoprophlex wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoa, that's actually pretty classy. I myself could never maintain that level of cool in the face of an all caps yellfest. No matter how right or wrong either party is, it takes some serious levelheadedness to respond like that.

One of the first rule of written communication for me: never send an email when angry. You can write it as a sort of catharsis but then just delete it and wait a few minutes/hours/days to cool down. You will realize what is important. And for the guy being yelled at here, it was being the maintainer of one of the coolest project on earth. Just to be clear this is not a justification of Linus' behavior. I just believe…

> One of the first rule of written communication for me: never send an email when angry.

Wise words! This is my philosophy as well (having learnt it the hard way).

Re: We do not break userspace (2012)

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Post by midrus »

asguy wrote: post #23
hackandtrip wrote: post #9

I may be an average corporate backend dev, but if anyone I work with would react in this way after any kind of mistake I did, I would report the situation / leave immediately. Honest feedback is surely key to keep quality, innovation, and skills high - the thread has indeed a few lines of honest feedback (don't break user-space, wrong error) and the rest are just insults. I am pretty sure it goes against the Code of…

> I would report the situation / leave immediately. [...] I am pretty sure it goes against the Code of Conduct [1] Back in the early 90s, I was young and working for a startup. I had a fiery and seasoned boss, who knew what he was doing and had very little patience for bullshit. One day, I decided I knew better than him, and implemented a solution that was way outside the spec of what he had asked for. The next day,…

Well, nowadays I know (because I worked for) so many SF companies with people that would create an scandal in HR just because the catered food had too much salt or there wasn't a vegan alternative. I can't even imagine anyone doing this nowadays

Re: We do not break userspace (2012)

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Post by 400thecat »

hackandtrip wrote: post #9

I may be an average corporate backend dev, but if anyone I work with would react in this way after any kind of mistake I did, I would report the situation / leave immediately. Honest feedback is surely key to keep quality, innovation, and skills high - the thread has indeed a few lines of honest feedback (don't break user-space, wrong error) and the rest are just insults. I am pretty sure it goes against the Code of…

Imagine you are a safety officer, and you see a worker committing huge safety violation, and thereby putting in danger his coworker's lives.

Which of the following ways has better chance of teaching him the gravity of the situation, and preventing this error repeated in the future:

a) kindly point his error to him in a nice and friendly way.

b) give him a verbal beatdown with insults and head-shaking

Re: We do not break userspace (2012)

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Post by loudtieblahblah »

hackandtrip wrote: post #9

I may be an average corporate backend dev, but if anyone I work with would react in this way after any kind of mistake I did, I would report the situation / leave immediately. Honest feedback is surely key to keep quality, innovation, and skills high - the thread has indeed a few lines of honest feedback (don't break user-space, wrong error) and the rest are just insults. I am pretty sure it goes against the Code of…

Open source was never supposed to be corporate. That was the beauty of it.

Now it's no different than developing Windows, just kore complicated and distributed

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