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My First Impressions of Web3

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Re: My First Impressions of Web3

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Post by IanCal »

arcticbull wrote: post #87
go_to_moon wrote: post #69

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only one or two true Ethereum full-nodes source?

I should have said archival nodes, the ones that keep state back to the genesis block. I don't know if that number is even tracked anywhere. I've read estimates ranging from 2 to 5. I'm trying to find where I read that, happy to be wrong - or right, if anyone has data. [edit] Here. [1] And here. [2] After examining every which way we could think of to add the Trie state to our Ethereum state, we asked Vitalik for ass…

This is highly unlikely to be true. I've got the full thing working with erigon, the idea it's 5 at most is hilarious.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

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Post by tompccs »

"With the shift to mobile, we now live firmly in a world of clients and servers – with the former completely unable to act as the latter – and those questions seem more important to me than ever. Meanwhile, ethereum actually refers to servers as “clients,” so there’s not even a word for an actual untrusted client/server interface that will have to exist somewhere, and no acknowledgement that if successful there will ultimately be billions (!) more clients than servers."

Finally someone articulates the problem with crypto. People don't want to run their own servers, and they sure as shit don't want to run their own banks. So in theory you have a decentralised trustless web or financial system, but in practice, everyone is trusting someone to run a node for them. Which is exactly how the web and finance work now.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

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Post by arendtio »

> We should accept the premise that people will not run their own servers by designing systems that can distribute trust without having to distribute infrastructure.

My biggest issue with that concept is that cryptography isn't timeless. Most cryptography system just work, because they delay information retrieval to a point were its value has degraded. However, if I want to store information securely for the long term, I prefer having it protected by more than just encryption (e.g. locality).

So even though I understand the argument, that most people don't want to run their own servers, I think the proposed alternative is even worse than the status quo :-/

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Post by ryanobjc »

jlokier wrote: post #294
dylkil wrote: post #157

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everyone running erigon nodes (like myself) are running full archival nodes, currently there are ~300, https://www.ethernodes.org/ . Many geth nodes are archival, but we cant see which ones are.

Some Erigon nodes run with pruning enabled. You can't tell which ones those are, or how much pruning. Technically you can tell which Geth nodes are archive nodes with a GetNodeData query over devp2p, although that call is deprecated and will eventually be removed. Its replacement, GetTrieNodes, cannot be used for this.

Erigon nodes are full archival by default, and dont use much space, about 1.7TB, which is quite thrifty consider geth uses like 10TB.

So, many people run full archive nodes now. Thanks erigon team!

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

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Post by SubiculumCode »

password1 wrote: post #267
SubiculumCode wrote: post #116

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I think you are over-simplifying the conclusions of the article. The article presents a much more nuanced view, and while it points to certain limitations and deficiencies of Web 3.0 (and that only on the Eth part of it; we are in a multi-blockchain world now), it also points to several strengths of the growing ecosystems, and mostly comes across as humble; not knowing how its all going to turn out.

I keep reading that there are a ton better blockchains than eth, but then it seems that all dapps continue to use just eth, even at the cost of insane gas fees. Why is that?

dappradar rankings indicate a lot of non-ethereum dapps that are relatively popular. https://dappradar.com/rankings

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Post by [deleted] »

hooande wrote: post #349
majormajor wrote: post #301

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So if you purchase an NFT, you need to make a local copy of the actual data? Since the blockchain only has the hash? And if whatever server you originally got the data from the NFT for went down, you'd lose it if you didn't make a backup? In those cases does the blockchain still have the URL as well? And you might end up with a collection of bits that matched the hash in the blockchain but was no longer at the origin…

the data has no value. anyone can right click copy an image. the value is that you own the blockchain address that points to a url. picture of a house = no value. deed to the house = value. even if the house is destroyed (data changed), the deed still has some kind of value

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Post by walterbell »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #352
walterbell wrote: post #334

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For those who have more money than time, Synology NAS devices include mobile apps for common use cases, e.g. photo sharing. There's apparently an open-source clone called XPenology. For simple photo backup, Photosync works on all major desktop/mobile operating systems and can sync to a wide range of local or cloud storage. After 2 decades and billions of investment in web services, it's not realistic to expect a gene…

> After 2 decades and billions of investment in web services, it's not realistic to expect a generic "home server" to serve all possible use cases. Those that work best are usually based on an open protocol (e.g. WebDAV, SSH/SCP, SMB). Surely HTTP is the common, open protocol here? Other than email, at least. Is anyone using SMB-from-the-cloud for network file systems? Are they serious? :)

The most widely deployed "home server", FreeNAS, is historically based on NAS/LAN protocols. Most home users want to share file storage across multiple devices, which historically has been SMB/NFS/DLNA. Over time, NAS devices have added cloud/WAN protocols, like WebDAV, S3, etc.

The most expensive aspect of server software development is data integrity/availability, e.g. ZFS or other high-integrity filesystem. Services atop the storage layer are usually built by different teams, often from different eras.

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Post by CameronNemo »

spenczar5 wrote: post #54
CameronNemo wrote: post #32

I like Moxie's work and writings, and this article has some great points, but I can't get behind this: We should accept the premise that people will not run their own servers by designing systems that can distribute trust without having to distribute infrastructure. I'm not ready to give in. I am happy to leave "normal" (tech illiterate and politically apathetic) people behind to reach my decentralization goals. I th…

What does it mean to leave normal people behind? Surely you need to interact with them. For example, you can run your own mail server, but you will need to play by Google’s rules if you want anyone on Gmail to get your emails. So, it’s hard for me to picture what it means to personally decentralize without caring what the bulk of people do.

Email is inherently centralized due to DNS being centralized. Furthermore there is no rule that says I have to federate with any particular entity.

They will take the loss.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

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Post by dang »

justinator wrote: post #74

I was under the impression that crypto currency was thought of as nothing but yet another pyramid scheme.

Please don't HN take threads on generic-indignant tangents. This one has been repeated so often, we definitely don't need it again, regardless of which side anyone's one.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29845594.

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