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My First Impressions of Web3

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Re: My First Impressions of Web3

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Post by baash05 »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #214
nixpulvis wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do we mean by this? I feel like it's a matter of OS improvement that will enable people to manage the software side of their own servers in as little (or less) effort than managing cloud platforms or even VPCs. Ideally in a standard way. Why is learning Dropbox any easier than learning to copy a file to some other FTP serving software? The clouds are just making $$ to support you, though that often turns on it's…

FTP is horrible. I'm glad as a web dev I haven't touched it in 8 years not since I worked for a hosting company in tech support.... git, or even rsync over ssh is way better... The upcoming generation..even the 'non-tech' people are tech-savvy, meaning most could probably get arch linux up and running at least via a distro or follow the docs, etc...where there parents would fail. the problem is they need to create so…

Not a chance on that mate.. No way on Arch. Most of my neighbours can't change their wifi password. Heaps of the 20 somethings can't even run "ls" in a terminal.

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Post by wyck »

justinator wrote: post #204
wyck wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By definition something with a finite supply cannot be a pyramid scheme, in fact in most cases there are no parallels whatsoever to crypto and pyramid schemes. There are some pyramid schemes within the shitcoin scam and yield farmer communities, but to think that's represents the industry is highly ignorant.

So you're saying the SEC is, "highly ignorant"? https://www.sec.gov/files/ia_virtualcurrencies.pdf

Ya, do you really think otherwise?

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Post by dmarcos »

jd007 wrote: post #105
superfrank wrote: post #47

> People don’t want to run their own servers, and never will This kind of gets at the reason why I think a lot of tech articles/blogs about what the future will be like are just terrible. The wants of someone who is driven enough read and write about the bleeding edge of technology are very, very different from the general population. Like this author says, most people don't want to run their own web server, but I'd…

IMO this diagnosis is still one level away from a more fundamental truism, which is that people don't want to pay anything for digital goods. Running servers can and has been massively simplified over the last couple decades, and I don't see any inherent technical barrier preventing it from being as simple as registering for an account on FB (i.e. anyone can do it). The deeper problem is the lack of willingness to pa…

Fortnite made $50 million selling NFL skins alone:

https://www.sportskeeda.com/amp/fortnite/the-fortnite-skin-g...

And the total sales volume since release is in the billions.

Maybe a generational thing?

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

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Post by elliotbnvl »

bidder33 wrote: post #193
elliotbnvl wrote: post #18

This article seems like it neatly encapsulates and explains why I've subconsciously held off from jumping into the Web3 space. It might be confirmation bias speaking, but I don't think I've seen anyone lampoon Web3 so thoroughly, and it's nice to have some well-reasoned explanations for why I feel the way I do. EDIT: A further thought: this article is the first I've read on Web3 that feels like it's actually importan…

I guess as some counterpoints: I kind of agree in some ways but i think he underplays the critical point that you have an option for voice and exit from the forming centralising forces (which do get established because people like convenience/reliability/familiarity) without sacrificing your data or belongings, you can leave without losses. That is a critical difference. His nft is delisted from a platform and his wa…

Thanks for the detailed and comprehensive writeup. I think you make some very valid points that help to understand some of the context that he elides.

> everyday I interact with protocols, work and vote in daos- 4 years ago those things were in whitepapers as a possible idea, but now they are reality.

This is a pretty important point. He states that it's not really "early days", but if this is the kind of momentum we're talking about it feels like it is early days still. You don't see this kind of innovation in a stale field.

> I think a lot of his criticism is valid, but it also kinda falls flat on what is being built. It is a surface layer "i'll be a web3 dev for a day" overview and response. So it reads like if i followed a tutorial on neural nets in python then complained that my car still cant be driven by ai. Those of us in the space are well aware of all of this and it is all being worked on, but people unfamiliar read it as some kind of smackdown, which isn't helpful either.

This is the money quote for me. Just because there are issues currently doesn't mean that they won't ever get fixed.

My takeaway is that this subject is a lot more nuanced than his article is claiming, and although he's certainly right in a lot of his criticisms, that doesn't mean Web3 as a whole is doomed to failure.

It also does make me reconsider the movement as a whole. Sure, there are bound to be golddiggers, but that doesn't immediately render the whole concept invalid.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

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Post by atweiden »

Apparently, 10 years and half a trillion dollars isn’t enough time or money these days for people to ship a basic SPV wallet to end users.

Even assuming the Ethereum people finally ship SPV support following moxie’s critique of their infrastructure, they still don’t have even so much as a rudimentary desktop wallet designed for air gapped spending which isn’t a literal web extension.

There has well and truly never been a more deserving poster child for the phrase “the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent”, than Ethereum. If there’s one societally valuable thing Ethereum can be credited for doing, it’s laying bare that cryptocurrency valuation really is just a Keynesian beauty contest with absolutely no fundamentals whatsoever. The entire cryptocurrency space consists of pure and simple confidence games, all of them claiming to be anything but.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

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Post by walterbell »

nixpulvis wrote: post #177
superfrank wrote: post #47

> People don’t want to run their own servers, and never will This kind of gets at the reason why I think a lot of tech articles/blogs about what the future will be like are just terrible. The wants of someone who is driven enough read and write about the bleeding edge of technology are very, very different from the general population. Like this author says, most people don't want to run their own web server, but I'd…

What do we mean by this? I feel like it's a matter of OS improvement that will enable people to manage the software side of their own servers in as little (or less) effort than managing cloud platforms or even VPCs. Ideally in a standard way. Why is learning Dropbox any easier than learning to copy a file to some other FTP serving software? The clouds are just making $$ to support you, though that often turns on it's…

> I want my ISPs to give me a static IP more easily so I can more in this direction without worrying about weird dynamic DNS issues.

Tailscale appears to have solved this problem. There are related open-source projects.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

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Post by wyck »

onychomys wrote: post #194
wyck wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not gate-kept by two centralized entities at all, there are a lot of alternatives many completely decentralized. This author is clearly new to the space and hasn't really done much research, outside 5 minutes of google.

Sure, but if everybody just uses the two big guys, does it matter that the little guys exist?

But everyone doesn't, that's just his impression and not researched whatsoever.
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