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My First Impressions of Web3

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Re: My First Impressions of Web3

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If people want a blockchain based decentralized web couldn't we cut out the middleman and just make hosting data the proof of work?

Edit: After all of ~10 minutes of uninformed thought I'm leaning towards an unholy marriage of torrents, IPFS and banking with each server acting as IPFS node, torrent tracker/seed and bank, issuing letter of credits to seeds of the data.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#172

> People don’t want to run their own servers, and never will This kind of gets at the reason why I think a lot of tech articles/blogs about what the future will be like are just terrible. The wants of someone who is driven enough read and write about the bleeding edge of technology are very, very different from the general population. Like this author says, most people don't want to run their own web server, but I'd…

It's refreshing to read an article that admits this: > > Even nerds do not want to run their own servers at this point. I actually enjoy build and running servers, but only for hobby purposes. When it comes down to anything business related or critical, I have zero desire to run and maintain it on my own. And I especially don't want to have to handle security for large amounts of money that could disappear in an inst…

For sure. I ran my own servers for many years. And I still enjoy playing with hardware at home. But a couple years back I shut down my last colocated physical server and I do not miss it. The background stress of knowing that at any point I might have to wake up, haul my ass down to a colo, and swap a motherboard just got to me.

Now all my must-stay-up stuff is built via Terraform in a a public cloud. If there's a hardware failure, it's not my problem. It's such a relief!

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#173

> People don’t want to run their own servers, and never will This kind of gets at the reason why I think a lot of tech articles/blogs about what the future will be like are just terrible. The wants of someone who is driven enough read and write about the bleeding edge of technology are very, very different from the general population. Like this author says, most people don't want to run their own web server, but I'd…

> The wants of someone who is driven enough read and write about the bleeding edge of technology are very, very different from the general population. This is very insightful. I wonder what else it applies to. I bet there are tons of media sectors writing to irrelevant but interested audiences. > People who write these articles need to be thinking about the middle aged woman who still calls every video game system "a…

Being easy to use is not usually thought of as a feature. Just look at the reaction of telephone hardware vendors to the original iPhone: There's nothing new about this, there have been tons of devices with touchscreens, we already know the customer does not want those, yada yada. They did not even consider the possibility that the selling point was not a list item on the spec sheet, but the user experience.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#176

The first article on Web3 that I've read that drills into the details and was written by someone who's not only kicked the tires but taken the thing for a spin. And the conclusion: It's mostly the bad stuff of Web2 combined with the bad stuff of Crypto.

I think you are over-simplifying the conclusions of the article. The article presents a much more nuanced view, and while it points to certain limitations and deficiencies of Web 3.0 (and that only on the Eth part of it; we are in a multi-blockchain world now), it also points to several strengths of the growing ecosystems, and mostly comes across as humble; not knowing how its all going to turn out.

Yes - a bit over-simplifying I admit. And Moxie said that it's "early days". However it turns out, it'll be fun to watch.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#177

> People don’t want to run their own servers, and never will This kind of gets at the reason why I think a lot of tech articles/blogs about what the future will be like are just terrible. The wants of someone who is driven enough read and write about the bleeding edge of technology are very, very different from the general population. Like this author says, most people don't want to run their own web server, but I'd…

What do we mean by this?

I feel like it's a matter of OS improvement that will enable people to manage the software side of their own servers in as little (or less) effort than managing cloud platforms or even VPCs. Ideally in a standard way. Why is learning Dropbox any easier than learning to copy a file to some other FTP serving software? The clouds are just making $$ to support you, though that often turns on it's head when they try to protect their interests. This conflict is why everything is shit right now IMO.

If we are talking about the hardware... That might be a harder sell. But at the same time, I don't see why a company like Apple couldn't market a product like the HomePod as a personal server. It falls into the privacy narative and would be a way to make more device sales by supporting faster local services.

Personally, I want my ISPs to give me a static IP more easily so I can more in this direction without worrying about weird dynamic DNS issues. IPv6 should have enabled this years ago, but it remains an issue.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#178

At the risk of displaying my ignorance and lack of knowledge about this area, one part I found very familiar in this article is that the action interactions in his apps didn't actually interact with the blockchain, but essentially with two centralized services. My very limited understanding is that for blockchains essentially the way to distribute them is that every node has a full copy. This sounds awfully expensive…

Except that as you say, it's too expensive for every node to have a full copy, so there will only be a few dominant players. If that's the case, web3 will be like what we have now, where instead of the dominant players being Google, Meta, and Amazon they will be the two or three dominant web3 companies, with a few smaller people trying to keep up.

So I would agree with your last sentence.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#179

> People don’t want to run their own servers, and never will This kind of gets at the reason why I think a lot of tech articles/blogs about what the future will be like are just terrible. The wants of someone who is driven enough read and write about the bleeding edge of technology are very, very different from the general population. Like this author says, most people don't want to run their own web server, but I'd…

You're correct about ease-of-use being key, I think.

It was easier for "us" (the industry) to build hosted web servers, and so that's the paradigm that has won out. It's a direct evolution from client-server computing in the mainframe-and-terminal era.

But the user doesn't need to care what a server is, or what running one involves; it's a bit of a red herring.

A winning platform wouldn't communicate to people that they're running a server at all; they'd upload their messages/profile/etc, and the application user experience would be akin to that of any other application, with the difference that -- at an implementation level -- their data would be encrypted, replicated and hosted across multiple devices. The platform provider then goes on to win-in-competition because their hosting and bandwidth costs reduce to near-zero.

That of course conflicts with the second point: evolving the protocols for that is hard. I'd wager that a winning platform will get 98%+ of the protocol design and implementation correct up-front, because it would have to be based on simple, iterable, secure and near-correct fundamentals that stand the test of time.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#180

> People don’t want to run their own servers, and never will This kind of gets at the reason why I think a lot of tech articles/blogs about what the future will be like are just terrible. The wants of someone who is driven enough read and write about the bleeding edge of technology are very, very different from the general population. Like this author says, most people don't want to run their own web server, but I'd…

Regarding your last sentence, I think that's fine. I know Moxie criticizes people for saying “It’s early days still" but I really do think it's early days and NFTs have driven crypto into the mainstream too quickly. Crypto researchers are still chipping away at the math and computer science required to bring the web3 vision to life. What's unfortunate is I've yet to see an article on hacker news about this research a…

Does this not prove his point though? Because decentralization is harder to get right on a technical level, centralized alternatives will always outcompete more decentralized ones.
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