Live data from Hacker News

My First Impressions of Web3

moxie.org

41–50 of 1001 posts

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#41

Moxie is no fan of decentralization. And he made why very clear with concise and incisive arguments.

And his arguments in favour of centralization are flawed. Sure, regular people do not want to run their own (email, chat, etc) servers. But they DO want to be able to chose from a handful of available servers the one they like best (or the one they trust most), without losing connectivity with their contacts. Tired of Google's shenanigans, move from Gmail to Protonmail, tell your contacts your new email, set up an au…

If you read the section "Recreating this world" it addresses this pretty directly

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#42
post #20

> We’d all have our own web server with our own web site, our own mail server for our own email, our own finger sever for our own status messages, our own chargen server for our own character generation. However – and I don’t think this can be emphasized enough – that is not what people want. People do not want to run their own servers. I must be stuck in the past. It's true. No one wants to run an arcane, buggy, ins…

This smells like the classic "you can build your own Dropbox easily" comment. Just because it's technologically feasible doesn't mean people want to do so.

Yes. Just because it's possible doesn't mean it's easy.

I'd love to see appliance-level servers become standard, but you'd need Google or Apple to throw their weight behind such a thing to make it usable, since decades of server software/hardware development has failed to produce things that require less-than-professional-level users.

I'd love to buy an off-the-shelf box for my network, have it act as a back-end for all my Google cloud-based apps and email and serve my blog and my photos and automatically encrypt and back it all up to a cloud storage system. But none of the big players are interested in that kind of thing, and the small players can't create replacements for the entire Google or Apple or Microsoft server/client architecture.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#43
post #20

> We’d all have our own web server with our own web site, our own mail server for our own email, our own finger sever for our own status messages, our own chargen server for our own character generation. However – and I don’t think this can be emphasized enough – that is not what people want. People do not want to run their own servers. I must be stuck in the past. It's true. No one wants to run an arcane, buggy, ins…

His point is that a majority of people don't want to bother with the cognitive overload of running a server. Just like you could build your own car, very few want to. Often they don't even care what kind of car they have. As long as it can get them from home to work and back again without killing them.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#45
post #20

> We’d all have our own web server with our own web site, our own mail server for our own email, our own finger sever for our own status messages, our own chargen server for our own character generation. However – and I don’t think this can be emphasized enough – that is not what people want. People do not want to run their own servers. I must be stuck in the past. It's true. No one wants to run an arcane, buggy, ins…

Are you talking about physical On-prem systems or just buying a basic ec2 type server and renting some storage space? Because wouldn't the first one require a specific business line to an ISP for networking, which would require an office space and other associated costs? Or are you referring to renting a vanilla server and rolling everything yourself vs using some automated deployment and build pack system?

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#47
> People don’t want to run their own servers, and never will

This kind of gets at the reason why I think a lot of tech articles/blogs about what the future will be like are just terrible. The wants of someone who is driven enough read and write about the bleeding edge of technology are very, very different from the general population. Like this author says, most people don't want to run their own web server, but I'd go even farther and say, most people don't really care about decentralization or even data privacy. Getting most people to care about privacy and decentralization is like getting a kid to eat vegetables. They know they should, but the alternative has more short term benefits. I think most people care about ease of use over almost everything else.

People who write these articles need to be thinking about the middle aged woman who still calls every video game system "a Nintendo". There will always be some users for technologies like web3, but until you can clearly demonstrate to that woman that this new technology has value and is easier to use than the status quo, you're never going to get mass adoption.

Connecting this back to web3, we're clearly not there yet. Almost anything being done on web3 is slower, more expensive, and more complicated than its web2 alternative. We may or may not get there one day, but until we do, I don't see web3 being anything more than a niche product.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#48

The first article on Web3 that I've read that drills into the details and was written by someone who's not only kicked the tires but taken the thing for a spin. And the conclusion: It's mostly the bad stuff of Web2 combined with the bad stuff of Crypto.

A deep dive into this stuff is certainly useful. The question is, of the people who were offended by shallowness of people saying "this is obviously garbage though I can't be bothered to investigate it", how many will say "ah, so here's a thorough, technical and soft-spoken explanation why this is all garbage, thanks".

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#49
I wanted to say that I appreciate his approach to stating why he isn't sold on Web3: thoughtful, succinct, diplomatic, and based on the results of an open-minded experiment. This is so much more of an article I'm ready to engage with than the the "crypto is a pyramid scheme, don't you get it you morons!?" articles.

Re: My First Impressions of Web3

#50
post #43
post #20

> We’d all have our own web server with our own web site, our own mail server for our own email, our own finger sever for our own status messages, our own chargen server for our own character generation. However – and I don’t think this can be emphasized enough – that is not what people want. People do not want to run their own servers. I must be stuck in the past. It's true. No one wants to run an arcane, buggy, ins…

His point is that a majority of people don't want to bother with the cognitive overload of running a server. Just like you could build your own car, very few want to. Often they don't even care what kind of car they have. As long as it can get them from home to work and back again without killing them.

I mean, I get that. I have a mailbox on my house. Letters come to it. I don't think about it too much. Bits come to my house all the time but somehow those trillions of computations keep flubbing this basic functionality.
Post reply on HN