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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

#741

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You should assume your SSN is public anyway. There have been so many leaks, and it's not like a credit card where you get a new number if it is compromised.

Because it was intended as an identifier, not as a secret. The financial industry couldn't tell the difference between the two so now everyone tries to hide their IDs.

It wasn't even intended as an identifier. It's just an account number. "NOT FOR IDENTIFICATION".

https://media.istockphoto.com/photos/social-security-card-pi...

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

#742

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Does the system not ask for SSN to pull this data? If yes, how did Google get your SSN? Disc: Googler.

At the very least you need to provide proof of your SSN before you start employment in the US (as a US citizen at least). This is required for your social security benefits and some tax info. I believe in most states you actually have to physically show your social security card on the first day of employment now too.

I provided that on the day I started. Not when I accepted my offer.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

#743

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Does the system not ask for SSN to pull this data? If yes, how did Google get your SSN? Disc: Googler.

Pretty sure Google needs your SSN to be employed at the company. Whole I-9 form, withholding taxes, giving you a W2 and all that jazz...

When you start. From reading the GP's comment I felt this was done before they started.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

#744

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Nope. Didn't in my case.

If you work in the US you should be getting a W2 from Google in a month or two. The top left corner will contain your SSN or it's an invalid W2 because the IRS won't be able to verify this is your W2 when you submit it with your tax return.

Yes, as I said from the other comment, I provided that when I started. From GP's comment, I thought they are saying they had to provide the SSN before they started.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

#745

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Having credit is not optional in modern society.

In the US, where credit cards are notably popular, 70-72% of people have a credit card. In other countries, it is less than this.

Even if you don't have a credit card you may have a mortgage, or a car loan, or a business loan, or...

To have none of those things in the US you must be either very rich, very poor, or dependent on someone else who does.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

#746

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In the US, where credit cards are notably popular, 70-72% of people have a credit card. In other countries, it is less than this.

Even if you don't have a credit card you may have a mortgage, or a car loan, or a business loan, or... To have none of those things in the US you must be either very rich, very poor, or dependent on someone else who does.

Many people rent and buy cars with money they have saved. Some others, use public transportation. While many middle-class people take advantage of credit, it is not a requirement to participate in modern society. It is optional, in any normal sense of the word. Search "debt-free lifestyle" and you'll find blogs of many who advocate for living this way.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

#747

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I'm going to guess that either you already own your home and your car outright, or that you're renting something somewhere and don't own a car. Or you're wealthy to the point of being able to pay cash or make major purchases without having to save for a while. In any case, you're already comfortable. You already have what you need. So it's easy to be against the things that would help people slightly less fortunate t…

> I'm going to guess that either you already own your home and your car outright Partially correct. Yes, I own my car. While I was in school my family bought the cheapest used vehicle there was so that I could go to classes. After I graduated, I continued using that car until I had made more than enough money to buy a new one. I have friends who took on massive amounts of debt in order to have luxurious vehicles righ…

> Fail to make your payments and see the true owners of your house take it away from you.

The notion that the collateral for a loan could be repossessed because of non-payment is not convincing.

I still own the house. I can make decisions regarding modifications to it without seeking permission from the bank that loaned the money to me, even if such modifications would lower the value.

> Credit and lending are literally responsible for global economic collapse. It destroys the lives of so many it's not even funny.

No, bad credit and lending are responsible. Sub-prime mortgages, ARMs, and "balloon" mortgages.

In your fantasy world where credit no longer exists, home ownership would drop considerably. Very few people would be able to save the money to buy a home because they would have to pay rent while saving up the money. When I bought my house in 2015, I was paying about $1,000/month for rent. The house I bought is costing me $1,500/month for 30 years ($320K @ 3.85%).

Obviously, that $1,500/month includes interest. A lot of it. So let's assume instead I'm saving money and living in that apartment still. Assume that I'm risk-averse and don't invest my money. At $1,500/month, it would take me 18 years of saving to buy that house

Oh, but home prices are almost always going up. The $338K house (I put $18K down, and most of that was a gift from my in-laws) I'm in is currently worth $550K. It would take 30 years of saving to buy this house at that price.

And the worst part is, the entire time, I'm still paying rent somewhere. And that rent is always going up as well! I would need to have a very considerable amount of disposable income in order to save up to buy a house! In 2015, I could afford a $1,500 mortgage. I could NOT afford to pay $1,000/month in rent AND set aside $1,500/month for a house in the future!

So...you'd significantly reduce how many people could buy a house. You'd think "Well, the lower demand would lower prices!", but that's probably wrong. What would happen is that real estate investors would buy up the houses. The big banks already have the cash on hand. They buy them up, rent them out, and further lock people out of homeownership.

Wealth inequality grows, and the economy suffers. The rich get richer as they extract money via rent, building more wealth to buy more houses to rent out.

Your parents were able to buy a house while home prices relative to wages were better. Good on them. But to eliminate the idea of credit now would be a real "I got mine" move.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

#748

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I think you are thinking of form I-9, which is federally required. SS Card is one of may accepted forms of ID, I always use my passport instead.

> SS Card is one of may accepted forms of ID Are those still as I remember them - with no biometric information (like a photo) and basically no security features?

Yeah I had to get a replacement a couple months ago and it's the exact same flimsy little cardstock card as we've always had.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

#749
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Don’t worry, just wait for the next outdated struts application to be pwned and it will all be public.

Extremely disingenuous comment, there's no public dump of the Equifax data breach - that information was not made public by whoever accessed it. To be honest I'd strongly prefer salary information to be more public, it would help me out in my salary negotiations.

It’s own disingenuous if you’re dumb enough to take it seriously.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

#750
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Wow placing a freeze requires filling out a PDF form, attaching a scan of your ID, and then sending it in over email, mail, or fax. The PDF lacks built in form fields you can type in. The extra friction is probably a feature: https://assets.equifax.com/wfs/theworknumber/assets/twn_Empl... (the exif data on that PDF shows the name of the employee that created it and that they used Word 2010...) The Equifax CCPA reques…

Shameless plug [1] that hopefully provides value: simplePDF.eu [2] will allow you to fill it in more easily (the fields are already set) [1] It's a side-project of mine [2] https://www.simplepdf.eu/editor?open=https://assets.equifax....

This isn't working quite right for me (Firefox on Windows). The SSN field is a single text box and the numbers don't line up with the boxes on the form. I can pad with a single space, but additional spaces don't increase the padding.

https://imgur.com/NXrZGaS

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