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Re: California Considers Doubling Its Taxes

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post #2

This is insane. People are already leaving the states in droves. If this passes they are literally shooting themselves in the foot.

They really aren't. 100 people moving to a town in Idaho makes a big impact on that town in Idaho but is not felt at all by California.

Re: California Considers Doubling Its Taxes

#24
post #10

The healthcare system in the United States is debatably one of the worst in the world. Cheers to California for trying to find a way to guarantee that all Californian's have access to the worlds worst healthcare system.

The US health care treatments are the best in the world, just the costs are higher than the rest of the world.

Re: California Considers Doubling Its Taxes

#25
Everyone who makes ~>250k would assumingly lose on this idea. Cost of insurance + maximum out of pocket would be smaller then the tax increase.

I assume it would also be restricted to Cali without procuring a reciprocity agreement with a national insurer.

If Dems managed to repeal the SALT deduction cap OR Cali just codes it to get around it (payroll tax direct to company only, and independent contractor business tax), this would be a much better idea.

Re: California Considers Doubling Its Taxes

#26

> to fund a first-in-the-nation single-payer health-care system. This is key here. So instead of paying this out to a private insurance company I pay it in taxes, there by my actual change is net zero, in most cases. I have a feeling most reactions might be headline driven here. I think it’s worth doing the math on how much it costs you in healthcare coverage before really judging a book by its cover here. If my comp…

Do you actually pay that much a year in insurance premiums? I don't live in CA, but I sure don't and my health coverage is pretty good. Keep in mind, this is also just the insurance premium, there's no talk of what co-pays or deductibles would be. In addition, your employer now has to pay more based on their gross receipts and if you make more than 150k a year you are paying even more.

I mean, my employer technically sponsors part of mine, but to cover my family I'm still paying roughly $10K each year in premiums.

Re: California Considers Doubling Its Taxes

#27

> to fund a first-in-the-nation single-payer health-care system. This is key here. So instead of paying this out to a private insurance company I pay it in taxes, there by my actual change is net zero, in most cases. I have a feeling most reactions might be headline driven here. I think it’s worth doing the math on how much it costs you in healthcare coverage before really judging a book by its cover here. If my comp…

when has California's government recently shown any capability to successfully implement big projects or spend tax payer money efficiently?

How is the high speed train project coming along?

Re: California Considers Doubling Its Taxes

#28
> (1) An annual excise tax is hereby imposed upon a qualified business, as defined by the Legislature, for the privilege of doing business in this state at a rate of 2.3 percent of the gross receipts of that qualified business minus the first two million dollars ($2,000,000) in annual gross receipts of that business.

This part seems insane. Any business with slim profit margins and out of state competitors is screwed.

Also, does this mean multi-state/multi-national companies have to pay 2.3% of their nation/world-wide revenues to California? That's obviously absurd...

Re: California Considers Doubling Its Taxes

#29

> to fund a first-in-the-nation single-payer health-care system. This is key here. So instead of paying this out to a private insurance company I pay it in taxes, there by my actual change is net zero, in most cases. I have a feeling most reactions might be headline driven here. I think it’s worth doing the math on how much it costs you in healthcare coverage before really judging a book by its cover here. If my comp…

It’s very hard to do the math here. It’s largely invisible to me how much my employer is paying in health insurance premiums and it’s unknown that they will add that sum to my salary.

Which is why it's important to structure the "tax" to land in exactly the same place that health care costs land.

Re: California Considers Doubling Its Taxes

#30
post #7

If this happens, I will most certainly leave the state. I mean this is ridiculous. These people have consistently shown that their ability to spend our tax dollars is literal dog shit. People and companies are leaving the state in droves. And their response is to literally double taxes?

Looking at housing availability hard to believe there is an actual net outflow from CA

Agreed, the numbers indicate a pretty significant exodus although it seems as though the supply has decreased and the pricing has increased on both rentals and homes for sale.

Mathematically, the extent to which it happens and the duration don’t make much sense to me.

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