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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by varenc »

haswell wrote: post #650
gruez wrote: post #619

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>The extra friction is probably a feature: https://assets.equifax.com/wfs/theworknumber/assets/twn_Empl ... (the exif data on that PDF shows the name of the employee that created it and that they used Word 2010...) I don't get it. how is "PDF shows the name of the employee that created it and that they used Word 2010" relevant to the claim that "extra friction is probably a feature"?

Just speculating here, but I wonder if their point is that they went out of their way to create a PDF that is as unusable as possible, and that Word 2010 is somehow required to create such a PDF. A few simpler explanations: - Equifax IT hasn't rolled out modern O365 apps - The form was created a long time ago, and has not been updated Regardless of the exif data, I do believe that friction is absolutely a feature in…

No angle or point with that comment. Just interesting! I like looking at exif data. And I think there should be more awareness around what it often leaks.

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Post by oblio »

Dave_Rosenthal wrote: post #663
oblio wrote: post #407

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The last part doesn't work in almost any company where you're not directly working with the owner. Middle managers can't approve any raise higher than say, 5%, and even that's after a full review cycle. It's a lot more likely to put a bullseye on your head as "money driven" or something considered negative (yes, the irony is jarring!).

If they tell you this there is a 99% chance is it BS. As someone elsewhere in the thread points out, it's just a manager not wanting to have an unpleasant conversation and saying 'hey, it's out of my hands' with the assumption that the junior employe won't know any better. If you are truly in a company that far gone with process then all is lost (and top talent will just leave anyways.) Or you are a lawyer :)

I'm not a junior and I don't know anyone who got a raise higher than 5% or so without a resignation letter in their hand.

In my experience this can only happen at small companies. The bigger the company the more they'll wish you good luck in future endeavors if you insist.

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Post by uniacid »

Pixeleen wrote: post #299
staunch wrote: post #115

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When I submit the myprivacy.equifax.com validation it hangs at "Processing..." indefinitely. #AbolishCreditAgencies

Credit, bank checking (ChexSystems), and personal information aggregators like Lexis Nexis and Thomson Reuters Clear ought to be abolished or curbed indeed. I hate to bring trans politics into this. I'm sure that's the last thing anybody wants to hear about right now. However we are a class of people whose sexuality can be unfairly identified by these databases.

I used to work at Lexis Nexis and I agree since I could see first hand how much personal data and information they have on individuals.

They also used theworknumber funny enough for any "employment verification" etc, pretty sure they have a partnership.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by oblio »

dumpsterdiver wrote: post #611
oblio wrote: post #393

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You don't get it. It's not about you. Statistically, with this setup, companies will constantly underpay. Yes, there will be some outliers being overpaid or those happy with their salary, but most will be in fact underpaid.

What don't I get exactly? I said "it's just not for me." I'm not sure how I can be much more clear that the sentiment was in fact about me.

We are talking about systemic problems here and you came in practically going ME, ME, ME.

See how that could be considered a little tone deaf? :-)

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Post by chromakode »

sloaken wrote: post #720
chromakode wrote: post #344

I pulled my own data. Hilariously, it includes my 3 years at reddit with the official title "JavaScript Apologist", which is what I wrote for myself on the about page when I was developing it.

How hard was it to pull your own data? What are they looking for to validate you are you?

Legal name, SSN, birth date, address, phone number, username + password (with like 7 requirements)

Yet again SSN being used as the only real hidden data.

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Post by gleb »

nip wrote: post #708
gleb wrote: post #667

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Neat! How do I save in the filled out PDF??

There should be an EDIT and SAVE button on the right side if you’re on a computer and at the top if you’re on mobile. If you can’t see either, this is most definitely a bug! Could you try refreshing the page to see if it helps?

Thanks. The sidebar did not load the first time. But worked the second time. This is on iPad Pro 12.9 inches.

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Post by mcculley »

xwdv wrote: post #707
mcculley wrote: post #641

A few years ago there was a startup called Paysa. You searched by employer and it showed you the salaries of each job title. My company was small enough that it made it easy to see the salary of many of my employees. We did not initially understand where that data came from. I did not leak it. We put together that each leaked salary was of someone who had recently applied for a mortgage or auto loan. Read the fine pr…

What is the impact of this to me personally?

It depends on how you feel about others knowing your income. Many people are very unhappy to have such information leaked.

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Post by matheusmoreira »

FredPret wrote: post #718
matheusmoreira wrote: post #691

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Who said anything about stopping the economy? It will keep going just fine. I am a third worlder, by the way. My father taught me not to be indebted to anyone, a principle he himself holds to this day and a major reason for whatever prosperity my family managed to achieve.

Do you think we can remove all debt without stopping the economy? That’s simply not how business works. IOU’s are the oil that grease the economic machine. Personal debt, when used wisely, can supercharge a life. Buying that first car, a house, going to uni. It can change the trajectory of the person for the better. Debt-fueled investments like startups and property improvements are another example. Shakespeare was n…

How could it not grease the economy? It's literally money conjured up from thin air. Would be weird if it didn't.

It's an illusion. Until loans get repaid they're just inflating the money supply. Can't get a job after college in order to pay $200k in student loans? Lost the job? People literally end up homeless or worse.

That's like saying gambling on futures with 100x leverage can supercharge a life. Yeah, I'll get rich alright if the market moves favorably to my position. Alternatively I'll get liquidated and lose everything.

> Buying that first car, a house, going to uni.

Debt is not necessary for any of that.

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Post by bitcoinmoney »

smachiz wrote: post #671
inyorgroove wrote: post #295

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I think you are thinking of form I-9, which is federally required. SS Card is one of may accepted forms of ID, I always use my passport instead.

That form also requires your SSN (or equivalent ITIN for non-citizens). Using your passport doesn't obviate the requirement that they have your SSN or ITIN for the IRS. The SSN card proves your eligibility to work, they still need to verify your ID separately (DL, voter card, etc.). They need both pieces. A passport counts as both.

They need your SSN. Not specifically your SSN card. Source: lost my SSN card ages ago.

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Post by smachiz »

bitcoinmoney wrote: post #729
smachiz wrote: post #671

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That form also requires your SSN (or equivalent ITIN for non-citizens). Using your passport doesn't obviate the requirement that they have your SSN or ITIN for the IRS. The SSN card proves your eligibility to work, they still need to verify your ID separately (DL, voter card, etc.). They need both pieces. A passport counts as both.

They need your SSN. Not specifically your SSN card. Source: lost my SSN card ages ago.

Correct, if you have a passport or other eligible documents that attest your right to work. Your SSN card counts as one of the eligible forms of attesting your right to work but not your ID.

Which is I think what I said. They still need your SSN, just not the card itself.

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