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Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by mrkstu »

windsignaling wrote: post #113
jgilias wrote: post #75

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Not just Americans. See 'Wolf Warrior', and 'Wolf Warrior 2', currently the second highest-grossing Chinese movie.

"China bad" is one of the primary goals of western propaganda. Start looking out for any online discussion involving anti-Asian racism / attacks, the housing crisis, etc. and you'll see posts like "but what about the CPP?" and "aren't Asians the most racist against blacks?" https://twitter.com/alanrmacleod/status/1474350856476762115?...

Equating anti-CCP sentiment with anti Asian propaganda is gaslighting.

That’s like anti-Putin sentiment being equal to being racist against Slavs.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by scotty79 »

tauntz wrote: post #326
scotty79 wrote: post #235

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> In cold war it was obvious there were two sides, and the other was obviously more free than the other. It's quite funny that after the cold war it came out that nukes of 'the more free side' was targetting Estonian, Lithuanian and Latvia cities.

They were targeting USSR military bases. And it was "known" already during the cold war, not a surprise after the cold war ended. At least in Estonia, every sane person assumed that when there's a nuclear conflict, then the rocket bases and airfields of the occupation forces here would be the first to be taken down by the west because they were the most west-facing USSR military bases.

They were targetting cities that were occupied by hundred thousands of civilians.

USA never had any qualms about targetting civilians. Foreigners don't have any rights.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by q1w2 »

Threeve303 wrote: post #340
34679 wrote: post #121

>The film also notes that the United States has laws against propagandizing the U.S. public, which might make such a disclosure a confession of a crime. I would add that since 1976, the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights has required that “Any propaganda for war shall be prohibited by law.” That changed in 2013: >The U.S. government's mammoth broadcasting arm has begun the "unleashing of thousands o…

Imagine you have a tech industry that merged with madison avenue along with psychological methods learned from Guantanamo and CIA Black Sites, and you wanted to build a societal manipulation machine, otherwise known as propaganda. Makes me wonder if there is any relation between the changes mentioned here and some of what the social media infrastructure has been used to do.

If any of this exists, then they're doing a terrible job. There is far more anti-American propaganda online than anything American-made.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by dgb23 »

stackedinserter wrote: post #392
dgb23 wrote: post #172

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You are contrasting “wokeism” to military and secret agencies propaganda of a nation that has been warring, invading and coordinating coups for almost a hundred years?

"Wokeism" is just another way to practice racism, sexism, limit freedoms and to divide society in very damaging way. It eventually will lead us into tyranny and all these bad thing that you have mentioned.

In this case we probably shouldn't distract a discussion about war propaganda with pointing out wokeism.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by jjk166 »

panta wrote: post #27
MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #16

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Americans love that stuff though, it’s not necessarily propaganda forced down our throats. We’d still want to see the badass, all American commando on a 100 kill streak.

Couldn't that be a sign that the propaganda has been effective?

This is an example of the logical fallacy petitio principii (begging the question).

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by 4ggr0 »

Levitz wrote: post #360
4ggr0 wrote: post #295

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What exactly does this woke agenda push, if I may ask?

Hard to answer, you might as well ask "what exactly does this not very defined group want?". Let's take feminism for example, which is generally considered as pertaining to woke culture, what do feminists want? Well you have sex-positive feminists, sex-negative feminists, you've got the ones that want to legalize sex work, the ones who don't, abortion at every stage no matter the circumstance, abortion in hospitals d…

To add to your points, as much as people may use identity politics to realize their interests, I think we should not forget the people who label simple and needed social changes as identity politics and peak wokeism, just because they disagree with said changes.

As an example, some people think that showing homosexual people in media is part of some wokeist agenda, just virtue signalling and an act of identity politics.

I guess to sum it up, we should probably stop using such general terms and just explain what we think in a couple of sentences. I guess that's where Twitter can be blamed a bit, when you don't have the space to thoroughly explain what you think, you have to resort to abbrevations and single words, in turn making it more confusing for everyone.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by syspec »

yosito wrote: post #301
cm2187 wrote: post #39

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I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda than it was ever then, except that wokeism is the theme of the day. In some instances it has completely taken over the plot, like in the last season of Fargo, to the point of becoming some sort of unwatcheable catechism.

I just watched Don't Look Up on Netflix and the propaganda was so thick it actually made the whole movie painful to watch. I suppose it's naive to think that old movies are propaganda-free. But I find myself missing the narratives I grew up with. The new ones are whiny, cynical and uninspiring. At least the old ones inspired me towards positive things.

How was that propaganda?

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by fundad »

riedel wrote: post #189
mulmen wrote: post #166

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Ok so war propaganda is illegal but what changed in 2013? Did the laws change or did we just stop caring to enforce them?

The act "geoblocked" propaganda that was ment e.g. for us European's from being received in the US. I think the argument is by "unblocking" it for US audiences there is indirectly a legalization of national propaganda. Particularly as such propaganda is excempt from the freedom of information act, it might be rather hard to prove that such propaganda only targeted an international audience (which is quite aware that…

Laws are just norms, enforcement is done with intention

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by hateful »

q1w2 wrote: post #413
Threeve303 wrote: post #340

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Imagine you have a tech industry that merged with madison avenue along with psychological methods learned from Guantanamo and CIA Black Sites, and you wanted to build a societal manipulation machine, otherwise known as propaganda. Makes me wonder if there is any relation between the changes mentioned here and some of what the social media infrastructure has been used to do.

If any of this exists, then they're doing a terrible job. There is far more anti-American propaganda online than anything American-made.

But it could be argued that that's there to provoke a pro-American reaction!

/conspiracy

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