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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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> Used wisely When does that ever happen? Lending and borrowing are always at the root of every economic crisis. National debt of countries are already astronomically large and will only keep growing. Just abolish credit as well. If it means the economy will grow slower, so be it.

>If it means the economy will grow slower, so be it. This is easy for someone to say who already lives a comfortable life. Credit is simply a more efficient use of wealth. Without credit, money stored is money that is unused, and thus money denied to everyone else. Everyone is poorer as a result because you have millions of people willing to exchange their goods and services but are blocked because they lack a medium…

And with credit, money lent out is money that doesn't actually exist until made real by repayment which must come from extracting value from this planet at ever increasing unsustainable rates, and there's always the risk it won't ever be realized at all in case of defaults. Credit creates money out of nowhere, effectively imposing a tax on everyone and making them poorer so that banks can extract profits. The massive amounts of debt people go into effectively enslaves them forever. Nowhere is this clearer than the student loans scam which not only lures unsuspecting victims into signing up for hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt they might not ever be able to pay off but also drives up the price of tuition and lowers academic integrity precisely because it's trillions of easy government money being injected into the economy.

Efficient use of capital? That's exactly what the banks and investment firms said about stuff like highly leveraged derivatives and the CDOs and all the stuff that caused the 2008 crisis. Bad loans was literally the source of it all. We all know who paid the price for all that and who got to keep their fortunes.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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And you'd need to know a past employer, right? I couldn't seem to find a way to get access to the info without inputting an employer first.

Many people post their professional career on LinkedIn. Again, it seems easy to find this information through public sources.

Yep, 100% agree.

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So a new company you are joining can easily verify your current salary with your ssn & dob. Right? They have your history of employers from your resume already.

That's not legal under the FCRA unless you've given them written permission. Though some companies will do a background check on all new hires (again, with your permission) which would include employment verification.

And that's a critical point to remember.

Get the job offer and negotiate salary before agreeing to a background check. Let them make the offer be contingent on the results of those checks (and drug screen or security check or whatever else they want).

But before turning in notice on your current job, wait until all checks are completed and make them reissue the offer letter with all contingencies removed. Otherwise you're still at risk of them pulling the offer while you're busy packing up your desk.

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Wow placing a freeze requires filling out a PDF form, attaching a scan of your ID, and then sending it in over email, mail, or fax. The PDF lacks built in form fields you can type in. The extra friction is probably a feature: https://assets.equifax.com/wfs/theworknumber/assets/twn_Empl... (the exif data on that PDF shows the name of the employee that created it and that they used Word 2010...) The Equifax CCPA reques…

Shameless plug [1] that hopefully provides value: simplePDF.eu [2] will allow you to fill it in more easily (the fields are already set) [1] It's a side-project of mine [2] https://www.simplepdf.eu/editor?open=https://assets.equifax....

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Credit, bank checking (ChexSystems), and personal information aggregators like Lexis Nexis and Thomson Reuters Clear ought to be abolished or curbed indeed. I hate to bring trans politics into this. I'm sure that's the last thing anybody wants to hear about right now. However we are a class of people whose sexuality can be unfairly identified by these databases.

> However we are a class of people whose sexuality can be unfairly identified by these databases. Good perspective and thanks for sharing it. I am curious about your choice of words though. You said "sexuality" and not "gender identity". Is there some reason why? I've always thought of the term sexuality to be how you feel about others. Or is that what you meant here?

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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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I've used this before as an employee. While it may also be a bulk dataset of employment information (which any HRS or payroll provider would have), the ostensible use of this solution is, to quote their homepage, "credentialed verifiers with permissible purpose access to income and employment data".

Key words there are credentialed and permissible purpose.

In other words, it's an automated way for me as an employee to have my employer verify my employment and/or salary information—not necessarily both—without having to hunt down someone in HR. This is particularly useful for previous companies where I no longer have access to internal systems.

I have used it most commonly for mortgage applications.

I can log in and generate a one-time or limited-use code to provide access, and select which data I want to provide access to. I then provide that key to the third party, who verifies with Equifax.

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Credit, bank checking (ChexSystems), and personal information aggregators like Lexis Nexis and Thomson Reuters Clear ought to be abolished or curbed indeed. I hate to bring trans politics into this. I'm sure that's the last thing anybody wants to hear about right now. However we are a class of people whose sexuality can be unfairly identified by these databases.

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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Yes, but probably by being much more conservative and relying on the branch managers to have a close working relationship, or long standing banking relationship with the people seeking credit. When that gets more automated - i.e. giving credit to somebody you've never met, then a centralized automated system for verifying trustworthiness is also needed to compensate. It may even have the net effect of allowing some p…

Nothing is stopping anyone from lending, afaik, on other basises. Basees? Ba...sis.

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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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post #88

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Wow placing a freeze requires filling out a PDF form, attaching a scan of your ID, and then sending it in over email, mail, or fax. The PDF lacks built in form fields you can type in. The extra friction is probably a feature: https://assets.equifax.com/wfs/theworknumber/assets/twn_Empl... (the exif data on that PDF shows the name of the employee that created it and that they used Word 2010...) The Equifax CCPA reques…

Shameless plug [1] that hopefully provides value: simplePDF.eu [2] will allow you to fill it in more easily (the fields are already set) [1] It's a side-project of mine [2] https://www.simplepdf.eu/editor?open=https://assets.equifax....

Just making sure, the site will NOT save the data that I entered in the PDF? Thank you for sharing your side-project!
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