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Ask HN: Why does Cloudflare/hCaptcha care so much about buses, boats and trains?

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Re: Ask HN: Why does Cloudflare/hCaptcha care so much about buses, boats and trains?

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First, I’m going to teach you to fish. Go to hCaptcha’s website, then scroll to the footer. Click around on the about links. It’ll reveal their business model. This trick also works for other businesses and NGOs. Now, if we look at https://www.hcaptcha.com/labeling we can tell they make money by labeling data sets for a fee. So as a guess, there’s someone out there that needs to improve computer vision detection of t…

Yes but if you make a mistake the capcha fails, hence they are already labeled.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Cloudflare/hCaptcha care so much about buses, boats and trains?

#14

First, I’m going to teach you to fish. Go to hCaptcha’s website, then scroll to the footer. Click around on the about links. It’ll reveal their business model. This trick also works for other businesses and NGOs. Now, if we look at https://www.hcaptcha.com/labeling we can tell they make money by labeling data sets for a fee. So as a guess, there’s someone out there that needs to improve computer vision detection of t…

Yes but if you make a mistake the capcha fails, hence they are already labeled.

captchas mix classified and unclassified data. Only if you get the classified data correct a users data is used to classify the unclassified data. Also the same picture is shown to multiple people to improve confidence.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Cloudflare/hCaptcha care so much about buses, boats and trains?

#15

First, I’m going to teach you to fish. Go to hCaptcha’s website, then scroll to the footer. Click around on the about links. It’ll reveal their business model. This trick also works for other businesses and NGOs. Now, if we look at https://www.hcaptcha.com/labeling we can tell they make money by labeling data sets for a fee. So as a guess, there’s someone out there that needs to improve computer vision detection of t…

Yes but if you make a mistake the capcha fails, hence they are already labeled.

I would guess they have a system such that after a user has passed N captchas successfully, they trust its a human and start displaying them (a portion of) unlabelled captchas that will always succeed and that's when novel labelling happens.

Or something along those lines. And then you can get creative displaying same captcha to multiple users, etc...

Re: Ask HN: Why does Cloudflare/hCaptcha care so much about buses, boats and trains?

#16

First, I’m going to teach you to fish. Go to hCaptcha’s website, then scroll to the footer. Click around on the about links. It’ll reveal their business model. This trick also works for other businesses and NGOs. Now, if we look at https://www.hcaptcha.com/labeling we can tell they make money by labeling data sets for a fee. So as a guess, there’s someone out there that needs to improve computer vision detection of t…

Yes but if you make a mistake the capcha fails, hence they are already labeled.

Some are already labelled, the user doesn't know so it's in their interest to solve the captcha properly and provide good data.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Cloudflare/hCaptcha care so much about buses, boats and trains?

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You're helping train self driving car models. https://www.ceros.com/inspire/originals/recaptcha-waymo-futu...

But why the boats then? Are there self rowing boats?

I wonder if some of the classes are just easy to detect objects that they're using to assess the accuracy of the user.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Cloudflare/hCaptcha care so much about buses, boats and trains?

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You're helping train self driving car models. https://www.ceros.com/inspire/originals/recaptcha-waymo-futu...

But why the boats then? Are there self rowing boats?

Boats are on the road too. In the form of being on trailers, Etc.

Re: Ask HN: Why does Cloudflare/hCaptcha care so much about buses, boats and trains?

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First, I’m going to teach you to fish. Go to hCaptcha’s website, then scroll to the footer. Click around on the about links. It’ll reveal their business model. This trick also works for other businesses and NGOs. Now, if we look at https://www.hcaptcha.com/labeling we can tell they make money by labeling data sets for a fee. So as a guess, there’s someone out there that needs to improve computer vision detection of t…

Makes sense since other than the ones mentioned I received a lot of crosswalks, traffic lights and bicycles.
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