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Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by delaaxe »

vmception wrote: post #199
JimboOmega wrote: post #185

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It smells like privilege. That isn't to say that the OP was protected regardless. But the mindset that lets you do this is a mindset that comes from a background of abundance. Where you can always get another job if you want one, where you always have friends or parents who will bail you out or give you what you need. A background where things just always seem to work out.

Another way to look at it (especially for those allergic to the idea that privilege may apply to their own outcome) is that ambition, risk taking, and entrepreneurship are evenly distributed across all socioeconomic classes, or close to it. It's just that some distinct socioeconomic classes have the capability of failing and retrying very quickly, due to moneyed resources. Contrast that to the person without assets o…

Didn’t understand your last sentence

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by vmception »

mlatu wrote: post #281
vmception wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another way to look at it (especially for those allergic to the idea that privilege may apply to their own outcome) is that ambition, risk taking, and entrepreneurship are evenly distributed across all socioeconomic classes, or close to it. It's just that some distinct socioeconomic classes have the capability of failing and retrying very quickly, due to moneyed resources. Contrast that to the person without assets o…

i liked your comment until the last sentence. > outnumbering the poorer people that want to play tech entreprenuer. PLAY? why the belittlement?

The richer people are playing too. Its an even distribution of the same behaviors.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by vmception »

delaaxe wrote: post #341
vmception wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another way to look at it (especially for those allergic to the idea that privilege may apply to their own outcome) is that ambition, risk taking, and entrepreneurship are evenly distributed across all socioeconomic classes, or close to it. It's just that some distinct socioeconomic classes have the capability of failing and retrying very quickly, due to moneyed resources. Contrast that to the person without assets o…

Didn’t understand your last sentence

that *also want to play tech entreprenuer

does that help you understand it?

Its an even distribution of the same behaviors, that’s what the whole post is about

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by SkipperCat »

barry-cotter wrote: post #162
SkipperCat wrote: post #78

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When men talk about courting a woman. It just sounds like they are either hunting an animal or performing a job. Seriously, if she (or he) likes you, then it just clicks. Talk of putting effort into it removes the humanity of the other person and also gives creepy people the perspective that someone "owes" them romance because they put the hours into it. It's just gross and misogynistic behavior.

I like how you perform the status move of saying that these things come to you without conscious effort, that you just are yourself and women are automatically attracted to you. Very subtle.

Nope, I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about the behavior of some people who thing women "owe" them romance because they perform specific tasks. In this case, it was quitting his job. For many years in the past women have been treated as property, traded off in marriages for family gain. Not just in history but also right now in Afghanistan, women are being sold due to financial calamity.

The writer's action of quitting his job can be seen that he gave up something and therefore deserves her affection. Very subtle.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by memling »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #323
meheleventyone wrote: post #312

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Yeah I went and checked out the authors Twitter after reading the article and there was a tweet praising Atlas Shrugged very near the top which was amazingly on-brand I thought after reading the article. Having actually read the book when I was going through an ill-thought out libertarian phase I don't understand how anyone capable of engaging writing themselves can think it's anything other than turgid dross. Feels…

I wasn't thinking about Ayn Rand (although her presence is no surprise at all). Lets just say that some of the rhetoric must have sounded better in the original German. e.g. "Übermensch" is a much more evocative word than "overman".

> "Übermensch" is a much more evocative word than "overman".

Try "Superman" instead.

I'm not a historian, and I've wondered whether the historical background for the comic (conceived in the early '30s I think?) included some of the racial overtones that were more pervasive at the time. I don't know how influential Darwin and Galton were scientifically at the time, but even if they weren't current in scientific circles (which I kind of doubt), certainly it's hard to ignore that the ideas were "in the water" so to speak.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by chana_masala »

deltree7 wrote: post #55
chana_masala wrote: post #32

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> So, his experiences is very specific to his skills, his reach and societal perceptions about him. I mean, that part is true for literally everyone?

No. We are talking about thresholds. He has advantages that may be applicable to If a person quit their job being a short, brown, woman and found happiness and people willing to help them, it is more likely to be replicated by a broader population. It's like an attractive guy giving dating tips

I don't disagree. But -

>> So, his experiences is very specific to his skills, his reach and societal perceptions about him.

This plainly describes everyone's circumstances and experiences. That's all.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by chana_masala »

nnoitra wrote: post #157
deltree7 wrote: post #55

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No. We are talking about thresholds. He has advantages that may be applicable to If a person quit their job being a short, brown, woman and found happiness and people willing to help them, it is more likely to be replicated by a broader population. It's like an attractive guy giving dating tips

That's a double edged sword. I understand that he has advantages but don't you think those advantages would make him feeling even more of a fool if he was to waste them? On the other hand you should also consider the emotions of uncertainty, fear and confusion that he had to overcome. Everyone everywhere attempting something similar would face similar emotions which are not at all trivial to overcome. The fact that h…

I'm just pointing out the semantics of the wording. I don't disagree with your points.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by chana_masala »

sircastor wrote: post #110
chana_masala wrote: post #32

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> So, his experiences is very specific to his skills, his reach and societal perceptions about him. I mean, that part is true for literally everyone?

Yes, but the relevant context is that he’s a highly privileged individual, and perhaps unaware of it.

I agree.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by SkipperCat »

Buge wrote: post #230
SkipperCat wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When men talk about courting a woman. It just sounds like they are either hunting an animal or performing a job. Seriously, if she (or he) likes you, then it just clicks. Talk of putting effort into it removes the humanity of the other person and also gives creepy people the perspective that someone "owes" them romance because they put the hours into it. It's just gross and misogynistic behavior.

When you meet and it just clicks wouldn't you want to spend time together, plan dates, talk about your future together, send love letters (or texts), give gifts? Wouldn't that be courting? To me it seems courting is just dating with an eye toward marriage, so talking about a potential future together. Your analogies kind of contradict each other. If someone goes hunting for several days but doesn't get a kill, would…

I agree. When you like someone, you make it a priority to spend time with them, be nice to them and all that other stuff. What is weird is when you quit your job to court someone. When you make a joke that there is "prophecy" that you and she will be together. On its face, it's pretentious and a laugh, but there's a subtext that if a man makes the decision he wants a women and he performs certain tasks, she has no agency in the manner.

Re: Quit Your Job

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Post by vmception »

thelettere wrote: post #237
JimboOmega wrote: post #185

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It smells like privilege. That isn't to say that the OP was protected regardless. But the mindset that lets you do this is a mindset that comes from a background of abundance. Where you can always get another job if you want one, where you always have friends or parents who will bail you out or give you what you need. A background where things just always seem to work out.

The idea that only the rich are able to take risks - or even think about it - is a bias, and an ugly one at that. It doesn't match history - the only reason we have many good things is because poor people took major risks - and it's part of the tyranny of low expectations that is seeping deeper every day into the fabric of our culture. It's a remarkably effective way of keeping the pours in their place in the name of…

What part of history are you referring to?

What kind of examples are really coming to your mind here?

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