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Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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I asked because whenever I hear about someone complaining of “wokeism” they’re complaining about things that I think are good. Giving black actors roles in areas normally dominated by white actors? That’s awesome! But whenever this happens loads of people online will claim that is “wokeism”. Representation for gay, lesbian, queer, and trans people in media? Wow that’s great! Many complain this is “wokeism”. Recognizi…

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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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I did read the web link you sent but I am genuinely unsure how often people mean “any minor progressive thing is wokeism” or they mean “token gestures that are ultimately meaningless” is wokeism. And what is meaningless to one person could be very meaningful to another. I mentioned the bigotry because honest to god that’s the times where I hear people use it - complaining about the most basic progressive representati…

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> I'll try an easier and more concrete one to help you out. Do you think Hollywood is at all hypocritical or insincere about their collective rhetoric about gun violence while also producing movies that glorify guns and people solving their problems with violence?

The OP's argument was that modern movies are political propaganda supporting "wokeism", so a concrete example where Hollywood movies are often - intentionally or otherwise - effective propaganda for America's gun glorification and violent self defence lobby despite actors involved in such projects insisting they are personally against gun violence seems to be the direct opposite.

On the other hand, many people [not involved in this thread] have cited the example of a black, female 007 as 'wokeism'. This does not appear to be an example of Hollywood filmmakers being insincere in their belief that black females should be cast in roles traditionally not occupied by black female actors, and it's rather more evident some objectors for whatever reason simply don't want them cast in that role.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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For all the feigning of ignorance, 'woke' is well entrenched in in mainstream language now. It would definitely have made it to one of those "word of the year" things within the past few years if it wasn't for wokeism. Urban dictionary can help you out if you really don't know https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woke Pretending to be bravely battling fascism and tyranny on behalf of the oppressed while ce…

As a non-native English speaker not living in the US, I've heard the word (or rather, read) multiple times but I honestly have never bothered to research what it actually means but I think I've kinda gotten the context around it(?) I've seen it being tossed around on Reddit when there's post about US politics/US social issues and it always looked to me like a generic insult thrown at somebody who doesn't like the mor…

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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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There's an additional very blatant theme I've been seeing of "science and engineers are the coolest!" that cropped up in, e.g. The Tomorrow War and another recent military themed US movie whose name I forget. They made me wonder if the army is fretting about its access to STEM skills.

There might have been some improvements in this area but I still haven't seen any (male) IT guy in a movie who is not portrayed as some kind of weirdo and relegated to the side. Even female nerds are at the very best assisting the hero. TV lawyers and doctors however get to hold jargon-filled monologues and be in lead roles. /rant

> (male) IT guy in a movie

Who is tony stark?

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Try asking most people about the Vietnam War, then visit Vietnam, especially the war museum in Saigon. Then pay a visit to the Landmine museum outside of Siam Reap, in Cambodia, to learn about Nixon's secret war that carpeted the border between Cambodia and Vietnam with bombs and landmines without anyone knowing. That's a trip that would make you rethink America big time. It absolutely did for me. As an Italian, I wa…

I'm glad that thanks to the internet and proper journalism, we have a better view on things. I grew up mainly in the 90's, with action movies from the time - think Rambo and co. I don't remember watching anything that glorified the Vietnam war though. Full Metal Jacket showed how it was a shitshow. On a weird kind of lighter note, Forrest Gump showed how people died or were gruesomely injured. Rambo may have been the…

FMJ wasn't really a hollywood movie (other than the production company being Warner); the director lived in St. Albans (north of London). It was shot in England.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda than it was ever then, except that wokeism is the theme of the day. In some instances it has completely taken over the plot, like in the last season of Fargo, to the point of becoming some sort of unwatcheable catechism.

> wokeism is the theme of the day That billions of equipment and resources provided by the woke cabala? Let's talk about that instead of military covered intervention in society. As a citizen from An USA allied country, I find disturbing how much propaganda the military pushes for at global level. That's a very serious matter.

> That billions of equipment and resources provided by the woke cabala?

Hundreds of millions are spent worldwide on endowments for universities to push this specific agenda. So, yes, I wouldn't find it surprising if the movie makers are sponsored, too. Now, it's clear why US army would want a positive optics. But who's to benefit from, say, Tajiks internalizing the "oppression scale"?

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Kinda of like what Putin does with LitRPG now? (I am probably on some kind of list now)

My KGB handlers are requesting me to ask you for examples.

The last book I read contained direct quotes from the man himself about the importance of creating new businesses to help the motherland. Nothing major, but when I read that I realised the the entire series was basically promoting some kind of "the Russian dream" as seen by an incel-boomer (can't really put a better word on it)...

And please tell your FSB handlers to stop living in the past ;)

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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It's the name of a fairly recent kind of cult, more or less related to the left, and trying to influence a lot of the political/corporate/cultural world.

Quoting from Wikipedia: “ Woke (/ˈwoʊk/ WOHK) is an English adjective meaning 'alert to racial prejudice and discrimination' that originated in African-American Vernacular English (AAVE). Beginning in the 2010s, it came to encompass a broader awareness of social inequalities such as sexism, and has also been used as shorthand for left-wing ideas involving identity politics and social justice, such as the notion of wh…

That Wikipedia definition is one part only of what the woke movement is. There are not just "alert". They are actively trying to censor, burn books (Tintin in some Canadian school), remove statues, etc. They invent words, have weird ceremonies, etc... (cf. the university of Evergrande), which are indeed the signs of a cult.

And by the way, any cult of group of thoughts, will define themselves as "we are for the good and against the evil; therefore, what exactly do you disagree with ? are you for the evil ?"

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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USA is an advocate of very specific stability. "Free world" is a hyperbolic but US is still a huge global power. In cold war it was obvious there were two sides, and the other was obviously more free than the other. Go ask for example Estonians, Lithuanians or Latvians who they enjoyed the yoke of the USSR. Now, as China is becoming an ever more stronger player, we again see that there are two sides arising. While pa…

> USA is an advocate of very specific stability. "Free world" is a hyperbolic but US is still a huge global power. > In cold war it was obvious there were two sides, and the other was obviously more free than the other. Go ask for example Estonians, Lithuanians or Latvians who they enjoyed the yoke of the USSR. You could also ask a Guatemalan how they enjoyed living under the US installed military dictatorships (whic…

Not only Guatemala, but essentially all Latin America. I don't think a country can honestly claim to lead the "free world" while exporting brutal dictatorships to a entire continent.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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I asked because whenever I hear about someone complaining of “wokeism” they’re complaining about things that I think are good. Giving black actors roles in areas normally dominated by white actors? That’s awesome! But whenever this happens loads of people online will claim that is “wokeism”. Representation for gay, lesbian, queer, and trans people in media? Wow that’s great! Many complain this is “wokeism”. Recognizi…

In few paragraphs you managed to convert a rational conversation to a moral argument and, worse than that, a personal attack. I am not the GP but this sort of "this is good"/"you are a bad person" litany is exactly what is off-putting to many people. I won't even comment on "The real reason I asked was to get people on here to reveal what kind of progress they are against."... And as for entertainment strong moral un…

I don't understand the dichotomy between rational conversations and moral arguments. "Oh no, morality!" is such a ridiculous-but-common escape-hatch whenever you're having a debate about something that is even a tiny bit difficult.

Nothing is 100% objective-truth. Recognize this, and get over it.

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