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Post by abujazar »

thendrill wrote: post #464
Pixeleen wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not familiar with the Barclay card. MasterCard has a service called True Name that lets you put whatever you want on your card. It's proprietary but I don't know if they keep it between the two of you. European countries have much stronger privacy protections, though they might have social security numbers which contain sex as an even/odd digit, and it's difficult to change. Checking account numbers are listed in…

In Norway tax return and salary is a public information available to everyone, handled by the government.

That’s not precise. Gross income after deductions and taxes paid is public information, salary is not.

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Post by eyeareque »

shubb wrote: post #499

Salary data is pretty valuable. Someone should make a site (like glass door) where existing employees post salary information and other non-nda breaking information, and people who want it pay them for it (with the site taking a cut) Why are we giving it away for free anyway?

There is already the blind app and also levels.fyi

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Post by jacobrussell »

withinrafael wrote: post #69

For those curious, I requested my Employment Data Report. Here's what was in it: Pages 1-2: Dear xxx, Thank you for requesting your Employment Data Report. Your Employment Data Report includes all employment data sent to The Work Number by your employer(s). An important document titled "A Summary of Your Rights Under the Fair Credit Reporting Act" is also enclosed. Great care has been taken to report this information…

When I fill out the form I get:

> We've encountered an error Sorry, this service is not currently offered to residents of your state. If you need further assistance, you can call Customer Care at (866) 295-6801. Customer Care is available 8 a.m. to midnight (ET), 7 days a week.

My state being Georgia.

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Post by shellfishgene »

denzil wrote: post #262
ajxs wrote: post #197

Are there equivalent services that broker data of citizens in other countries? As a non-American, my layperson understanding of American legislation is that it's extremely lax when it comes to protecting individuals from privacy invasions like this. Is anyone aware of laws in the EU/Canada/Australia that would prevent this kind of thing happening?

From what I read in EU the pay is considered personal information and is thus is protected by GDPR. If your employer wanted to share it with 3rd party for something like this, he would need your explicit approval for it.

I think in Sweden all tax returns are public.

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Post by jtbayly »

streamofdigits wrote: post #453
andresp wrote: post #431

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People who bash capitalism after the last century of expansion should just be considered negationists at this point. Sure it is not perfect but it's infinitely better than any other economic model available.

people who defend capitalism on the face of the last century's (and ongoing) environmental disaster should just be considered negationist at this point. Sure is not all wrong but it's infinitely worse than any economic model that actually secures a sustainable future

So capitalism is infinitely worse than the one-child policy?

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Post by kevincox »

nocardium wrote: post #257
vulcan01 wrote: post #74

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You don't need to. Your employer can give this info to whoever they want, and many give this data to Equifax or one of the other credit agencies. Also, you might give your bank employment details, and your bank will most likely send that info to a credit agency as well. There's not much of an escape.

If I bundle my personal information together into an nft and then buy that nft, could I issue the credit agency with a DMCA takedown notice?

IANAL

The NFT would be completely irrelevant here. Basically I assume you are claiming copyright over your salary and personal information. Unfortunately you can't trademark facts, so this approach isn't viable.

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Post by [deleted] »

Traster wrote: post #486
BeefySwain wrote: post #5

I checked earlier today and yep, my employer is selling my data and future earnings potential to the company that is infamous for poor data security. A confounding factor is that as a hiring manager, and at least for all the hiring decisions I have been involved in, I know we did not use this to check candidates. So what's the upside? EDIT: ADP Workforcenow appears to do this automatically. I'm curious to find out if…

I've seen how this works before, and what happens is all the companies submit their data to equifax, equifax then goes and creates a set of "profiles" for example "Junior software engineer", take all the data for employees with software engineer related titles and less than 3 years of experience, remove outliers and sell the result to employers as "salary band information". The result is that your employer gets a num…

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Post by pydry »

emteycz wrote: post #459
Phenomenit wrote: post #441

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Depends on your definition of success.If one is Thinking of the long-term viability of the human race then capitalism can only be seen as a disaster if you look at it from a ecological perspective.

Capitalism doesn't happen without state and it is defined by the state, so it's a failure of state regulation, not capitalism itself. States must set different regulation and/or incentives. It's perfectly possible to have 100% ecological capitalism.

Capitalism is the engine behind the pay-to-play nature of the political processes and the supporting propaganda that triggers those failures.

You cant separate capitalism from, for example, the decades of amplified Koch propaganda attacking environmental regulatory prudence and buying up politicians. The Kochs respond to incentives just like everybody else.

>It's perfectly possible to have 100% ecological capitalism.

Only with a shallow and one dimensional view of what capitalism really is and how a state actually functions.

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Post by jtbayly »

kodemager wrote: post #381
randmeerkat wrote: post #266

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This is what crony capitalism looks like.

I think it’s hard to look at what capitalism has become today and say much positive about it. I say this as someone who works in investment finance where we sell semi-rich semi-professional investors the opportunity to become richer by building solar and wind power plants, and selling them when they are fully operational. Which is about as positive as it gets in capitalism in my experience, considering we’re actually…

> So how do you change the world without capitalism? The answer is probably in taxing the rich, but good luck with that.

That would work for a year or two, until you had egalitarianized the money so everybody had the same amount. Then what? And what would be the effect of that?

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