Anyone here remembers datahand? Both of them seem to have similar input space of 4-5 directions per finger and could use similar input methods for mapping that to actual inputs.
Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions
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Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions
#432It’s surprising to me that stenography-esque chording hasn’t had a breakthrough moment among programmers. Most programmers love trading hotkey/shortcut recommendations, and software from vim to blender to photoshop show users have a deep interest in using shortcuts to become more efficient. Hardware restrictions notwithstanding, if my keyboard driver/OS had convenient support for importing standardized maps that let…
I also love to improve my input methods.
I'm still not convinced steno works well for code. One because I haven't seen a convincing example (all the examples I've seen were youtube videos where it's obvious someone's working hard trying to remember the inputs they just fed into their dictionary to produce a specific piece of code). Two, because I think code is by nature very different from natural language and you have to be extremely precise with every dash, underscore, capital letter and symbol, and there are lots of identifiers that are abbreviations or not natural words at all.
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#433Earlier quoted context omitted.
“CharaChorder’s internal processor arranges the letters on-screen in real time faster than the human eye can perceive.” So, 76% may also be an artifact due to the way the keyboard interprets inputs rather than something a user would need to correct.
I own a CharaChorder and this is exactly right. Using the CC, you can't get 100% on monkeytype because when I type `helo` it then backspaces that and types `hello` using the CharaChorder's onboard firmware. The final text is 100% accurate--it's just what was typed by the keyboard wasn't 100% accurate.
It's a nightmare if you're writing in two different languages at the same time, eg. French sentence with English words in it. I often have to disable one or the other and live with most words being red underlined, because autocorrects are just not great at guessing what language I'm using.
BTW, if anyone from Alexa, Apple or Google is reading this, please have someone work on this. It's been 10 years since I've been using it, and neither speech recognition, nor autocorrect have made any kind of progress on the dual language stack.
Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions
#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
I own a CharaChorder and this is exactly right. Using the CC, you can't get 100% on monkeytype because when I type `helo` it then backspaces that and types `hello` using the CharaChorder's onboard firmware. The final text is 100% accurate--it's just what was typed by the keyboard wasn't 100% accurate.
It's a nightmare if you're writing in two different languages at the same time, eg. French sentence with English words in it. I often have to disable one or the other and live with most words being red underlined, because autocorrects are just not great at guessing what language I'm using. BTW, if anyone from Alexa, Apple or Google is reading this, please have someone work on this. It's been 10 years since I've been…
I'm using Google's keyboard on Android in dual language mode, it works pretty decent.
Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions
#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
I own a CharaChorder and this is exactly right. Using the CC, you can't get 100% on monkeytype because when I type `helo` it then backspaces that and types `hello` using the CharaChorder's onboard firmware. The final text is 100% accurate--it's just what was typed by the keyboard wasn't 100% accurate.
It's a nightmare if you're writing in two different languages at the same time, eg. French sentence with English words in it. I often have to disable one or the other and live with most words being red underlined, because autocorrects are just not great at guessing what language I'm using. BTW, if anyone from Alexa, Apple or Google is reading this, please have someone work on this. It's been 10 years since I've been…
Google has multiple language mode which works with Google keyboard and Chrome. I type in English and French on the regular at it auto corrects each properly even when mixed (Google keyboard on Android will even complete suggestions properly when mixing languages).
Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions
#436This is just a PR piece by a guy breaking the rules but saying nah it's OK because my thing I made is cool and you should allow it because I made it.
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FYI links to reddit do not work if user is not logged in - at least on mobile. Sad to see its decline.
On mobile replace the “www” with “i” to get something that actually works on a phone. The new mobile site is such horrible user experience in almost every way.
For the lazy: https://i.reddit.com/r/charachorder/
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The thing is, when a programmers starts to generate input, the problem is already solved, he is merely putting the solution into whatever representation the tools demand. I am not defending 10-15 WPM here ofc. just statingt that the majority of work happens before we start typing in code, and after we typed it.
It's a type-think-type-think cycle (or type-test-think-type-...) and the more time and effort you spend on the typing part, the more it distracts you from the rest. Typing for a few minutes isn't any better than compiling for a few minutes before you can test. It just interrupts the more interesting work.
> It's a type-think-type-think cycle
Depends entirely on the individual developer. For me its think-think-think-think-drinkcoffee-think-type.
And after the first iteration, the typing to make changes is usually miniscule compared to the initial amount.
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I agree with you here entirely. I don’t really see how this is transformative compared to any chorded typing system. The specific op I was replying to was saying > …and 0.5% actual typing, I think I am quite safe with my good 'ol QWERTY. And there were a host of similar comments initially. 100% on fighting snake oil. 0% on pushing back against people trying new things that might improve the status quo
Hi, "specific op" here. I'd be interesting in knowing how what I wrote above is a "pushback against any attempts at improving the status quo". I said I spend not a lot of time typing. Therefore, a device that is aimed at improving typing speed, has a low impact on my productivity.
I might have read too much into your use of the term “safe” as being indicative that there was some danger or concern.
I agree with this sentiment: > I said I spend not a lot of time typing. Therefore, a device that is aimed at improving typing speed, has a low impact on my productivity.
Though, setting aside that efficiency =/= effectiveness/productivity, I think the spirit of the article is that if a coworker is typing a lot, that may claim that their efficiency has increased greatly, not that every single person will see equal improvements.
FWIW: this is being typed with two thumbs on an iPhone because that’s as efficient as _I_ need to be right now ;)
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#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think things like this are not “everyone must use this new better way of typing,” but more “hey there may be a better way of doing this task.” I am always surprised, though at this point I shouldn’t be, that there is always pushback against any attempts at improving the status quo when it comes to typing speeds on HN - as though the creator is attacking all of us with lower typing speeds personally… From another pe…
The pushback is not against the improvements themselves, but rather at the claims of what the improvements solve, and the criticisms of people who fall below some threshold at some specific task, with dubious claims about the effect on their overall performance (without actually measuring the overall performance). It seems to be a common theme among tech people to unfairly extrapolate small, vaguely related things to…
> …the criticisms of people who fall below some threshold at some specific task, with dubious claims about the effect on their overall performance
It’s unclear to me where this criticism is coming from.
> If someone doesn't like how I work, then don't watch me work. I get paid for the fruits of my work, not how I get there.
Similarly it’s unclear to me where there is anything about anyone measuring how you get your work done. That seems unrelated to the article at hand that only passingly mentions any work context (only of a co-worker making a claim about their own effectiveness) while spending most of the article on games and typing competitions.