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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by laserlight »

tinco wrote: post #423
xfz wrote: post #394

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What if you say no? It's not really consent if declining affects your chances of getting credit or, worse, employment.

Yes it is, this is literally how credit works. You convince them you're credit worthy, they give you credit. If you don't like the particular information a credit company needs to trust you, then you try a different credit company. I don't follow how declining a credit company would affect your employment, is there something I'm missing there?

If this data is available to some parties, it will eventually be available for everyone interested. Especially when we are talking about Equifax, there should be no doubt.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by shaan7 »

In India there is National Skills Registry (NSR) by NASSCOM. Member companies require potential candidates to register and provide the registration number. This is then used by HR at member companies to track you around.

The best part is that in this case, it is the employees that pay for this, and that too as an yearly subscription! https://nationalskillsregistry.com/free-structure.htm

Finally, one of the cofounders of NASSCOM is Nandan Nilekani, the same guy who's the mastermind behind India's bio-metric surveillance program (my words) - Aadhar. Not surprising at all.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by streamofdigits »

andresp wrote: post #431
kodemager wrote: post #381

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I think it’s hard to look at what capitalism has become today and say much positive about it. I say this as someone who works in investment finance where we sell semi-rich semi-professional investors the opportunity to become richer by building solar and wind power plants, and selling them when they are fully operational. Which is about as positive as it gets in capitalism in my experience, considering we’re actually…

People who bash capitalism after the last century of expansion should just be considered negationists at this point. Sure it is not perfect but it's infinitely better than any other economic model available.

people who defend capitalism on the face of the last century's (and ongoing) environmental disaster should just be considered negationist at this point.

Sure is not all wrong but it's infinitely worse than any economic model that actually secures a sustainable future

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Post by zerr »

kennethh wrote: post #398
niemenmaa wrote: post #293

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Interesting to read about the Norway's system! I would guess that "If you search for anyone, they can see that you did" is pretty fair but can hinder one's curiosity for searching the information. Also interesting that public lists for media is no longer distributed. How have media outlets taken this? Here in Finland Tax office publishes lists of all over 100k earners to media and they are published as public lists o…

In Norway if someone looks up your income you can see who did it since they need to login with an approved ID system linked to your social security number. So i practice most people do not look up other people they know.

You can check the financials of any company without registering: https://www.180.no/

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Post by pjmlp »

laurent92 wrote: post #373
pjmlp wrote: post #264

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In countries where unions exist for everyone on the building, everyone knows what everyone else is earning. Additionally, in most European countries we don't have a culture of hidding our salaries from each other.

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Another union FUD comment on HN.

When organizations freeze, they close doors, simple as that.

I bet there are more suicides tied to reckless organizations like the Wall Street finance sector than unionized European countries.

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Post by detaro »

NotSammyHagar wrote: post #413
detaro wrote: post #177

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And the linked article and the common references to it highlight almost exclusively "wrong degree/education" instead of "no relevant experience/track-record" (if that's the case, no clue what her experience looked like on paper. but the article also brushes it away with a sentence just to focus back on education). That's my problem with it.

I'm guessing you are from non-traditional background and work in it somehow. Having a track record is pretty basic when evaluating people for high level positions who have non-traditional backgrounds. Why is this upsetting to you?

> I'm guessing you are from non-traditional background and work in it somehow

You're guessing wrong.

> Having a track record is pretty basic when evaluating people for high level positions who have non-traditional backgrounds.

Not sure why you're saying that in a thread where everybody agrees that track record is important?

> Why is this upsetting to you?

It's not upsetting, I just think, as I've explained multiple times, that putting a spotlight on the degree alone, as the linked article does, is a bad argument, given that track record and experience matter much more than what degree someone got years ago. It's a cheap gotcha.

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Post by emteycz »

Phenomenit wrote: post #441
robertlagrant wrote: post #380

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Capitalism generally happens successfully in societies with laws. The difference with socialism is the state both defines the laws and decides how to allocate resources, which tends to result in a lot of poverty.

Depends on your definition of success.If one is Thinking of the long-term viability of the human race then capitalism can only be seen as a disaster if you look at it from a ecological perspective.

Capitalism doesn't happen without state and it is defined by the state, so it's a failure of state regulation, not capitalism itself. States must set different regulation and/or incentives. It's perfectly possible to have 100% ecological capitalism.

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by emteycz »

ant6n wrote: post #443
robertlagrant wrote: post #380

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Capitalism generally happens successfully in societies with laws. The difference with socialism is the state both defines the laws and decides how to allocate resources, which tends to result in a lot of poverty.

And in certain capitalist societies, the capital decides the laws and allocation of resources. At least in theory, in a democratic society, government should be elected by the people. Unfortunately there never was a democratic, socialist country, so it's hard to make statements based on observation with these matters.

There were many democratic socialist countries, unfortunately socialism devolves into tyranny in less than one election period. For example Czechoslovakia voted for communism freely by its own volition in 1946, and the communists started killing people the same year. It's not an individual's fault - many new unknown people started ruthlessly competing for absolute power as soon as it became available. Similar process happened in the entire Eastern Bloc.
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