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Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by elefanten »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #61
cm2187 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda than it was ever then, except that wokeism is the theme of the day. In some instances it has completely taken over the plot, like in the last season of Fargo, to the point of becoming some sort of unwatcheable catechism.

> I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda I think the past efforts were pretty blatant. I think we just know more about how they operate and so it becomes easier to see. > wokeism Would love to know what this means.

> Would love to know what this means.

You saying you’re completely baffled by this term, or asking for the poster’s particular meaning?

I’d draw a parallel to “White supremacy”. Given the wild range of applications for the term, you need to get a sense of what any one wielder really means.

But it’d be quite obtuse to reply “what’s White supremacy?”

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by peter_retief »

I feel they have overplayed their hand in the 2020 US elections, not just Hollywood but all media. In some ways it is a bit sad and pathetic looking behind the curtain and the seeing the puppeteer pulling the strings. C'est la vie I guess.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by namdnay »

jfmarshall wrote: post #88

The propaganda effort shown in popular movies is just a small tip of the iceberg. The United States and its state-run propaganda and terrorism organisations cannot be allowed to walk through the 21st century without answering and making amends to the crimes committed. It has never before been more urgent to question and criticise the United States for its past decades of war, propaganda, sowing discord and effort to…

I think the main thing that gets people accused of being shills it using new accounts to send shrill calls to action

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by doovd »

elcapitan wrote: post #90
doovd wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure what to make of this. The lend-lease stuff is hardly extraordinary, it would have been crazy if they _didn't!_. Furthermore, the US received almost a similar amount of goods in return (US received 8bln from allies when they lended out 11bln to USSR). All usual and unremarkable stuff. Furthermore, it's hardly fair to equate suppy of aid (which the US can afford because of their capitalist practices of exploit…

You're quoting pretty selectively there. 11 billions went to the Soviet Union alone. The overall program was almost 50 billion. The reverse program of 7 billions is basically a calculatory sum of the lend and lease of military bases by the British Empire to the US. > suppy of aid (which the US can afford because of their capitalist practices of exploitation etc) That's a pretty wild statement considering how the Sovi…

Yeah sorry updated above, 11bln to USSR specifically, thanks for correcting. Nevertheless, it seemed odd to almost suggest the Us were financing the USSR in their fight in order to obtain some credit.

Noted RE Soviet practices, though it's besides the point I think (i.e. it would be a scandal if the US didn't send aid in this form).

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by bjarneh »

It's even more obvious when it's the other way around; i.e. movies that criticize them have to create war scenes without the all the free fighter jets and Apache helicopters. One of the worst (war) movie scenes in history have to be the one in "Lions for lambs" [1]. It looks like some low budget / film school creation even though it's a massive production, with Tom Cruise, Robert Redford and Meryl Streep.

1: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0891527/

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

veidelis wrote: post #69
Barrin92 wrote: post #14

one graphic that stuck with me, that I saw a few years ago is this one ( https://imgur.com/svsB0Ub ) (question being: which nation, according to you, contributed most to the defeat of Germany?" Being German and having Russian relatives the perspective on the war on the continent has always been interesting to me. The sheer scale and brutality of the Eastern front, the war crimes and death (The Soviet Union lost more…

> The Soviet Union lost more than 15% of its population! When?

World War two, a summarized source is at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Soviet... but that claims a slightly lower percentage of 13.7%.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by baxtr »

lostlogin wrote: post #82
xcambar wrote: post #77

In France, the french secret services (DGSE) worked hand-in-hand with the production of a TV show called The Bureau ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4063800 ). The services were supposedly lacking diverse resources for both operators, admins and field agents of diverse backgrounds. This series drew a very strong, credible and positive narrative that led to a massive number of people knocking at the doors of the DGSE to…

It’s a little surreal to be watching it (sort of) while skimming HN and stumbling into this thread.

You are being manipulated in this very second. That you skim HN while watching the show was actually anticipated. This comment will auto-destruct in 60 seconds.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by pydry »

vintermann wrote: post #80
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda I think the past efforts were pretty blatant. I think we just know more about how they operate and so it becomes easier to see. > wokeism Would love to know what this means.

Something like this? https://twitter.com/raytheontech/status/880497266255175685?l... It's not that there's something wrong with gay rights, or any other specific social cause powerful organizations adopt. It's just that it's a very cheap way to win a positive image for things that ... would have trouble getting a positive image if focus was on their core business.

I think it's kind of an compromise between the artistic community in Hollywood who usually want to be progressive and capital, which dont want to do anything risky or threatening to powerful/rich people/advertisers.

Gay rights and a few other issues satisfy both groups.

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