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Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by throwawaylinux »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #61
cm2187 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda than it was ever then, except that wokeism is the theme of the day. In some instances it has completely taken over the plot, like in the last season of Fargo, to the point of becoming some sort of unwatcheable catechism.

> I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda I think the past efforts were pretty blatant. I think we just know more about how they operate and so it becomes easier to see. > wokeism Would love to know what this means.

For all the feigning of ignorance, 'woke' is well entrenched in in mainstream language now. It would definitely have made it to one of those "word of the year" things within the past few years if it wasn't for wokeism.

Urban dictionary can help you out if you really don't know https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=woke

Pretending to be bravely battling fascism and tyranny on behalf of the oppressed while censoring for theocratic and communist dictatorships is Hollywood's bread and butter. Not just Hollywood for that matter, a lot of multinational corporations in other industries too.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by lostlogin »

xcambar wrote: post #77

In France, the french secret services (DGSE) worked hand-in-hand with the production of a TV show called The Bureau ( https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4063800 ). The services were supposedly lacking diverse resources for both operators, admins and field agents of diverse backgrounds. This series drew a very strong, credible and positive narrative that led to a massive number of people knocking at the doors of the DGSE to…

It’s a little surreal to be watching it (sort of) while skimming HN and stumbling into this thread.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by anthonyshort »

agumonkey wrote: post #47
MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #16

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Americans love that stuff though, it’s not necessarily propaganda forced down our throats. We’d still want to see the badass, all American commando on a 100 kill streak.

My bet is that most groups have this in them. Being right, being the hero. America just had the lead in entertainment and tech

In my experience, other countries don't view themselves that way, and it's mostly seen as an Americanism (I'm not American)

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by democracy »

Speaking about movies I am more confused why modern Russian movies portray Soviet soldiers as a bunch of idiots either drinking, shooting each other or being killed by KGB. And most of such movies are sponsored by the government. Go figure!

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by Yoric »

fvdessen wrote: post #56
nyokodo wrote: post #19

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> The other country that is doing this at Hollywood scale is China The difference being that while state propaganda has infected Hollywood it does not wholly control Hollywood. You’d be hard pressed to find any rough equivalent to Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket, All the President’s Men, or The Post etc in China.

> Apocalypse Now, Full Metal Jacket, All the President’s Men, or The Post Those movies are also propaganda, but in a more subtle and effective way; The message of these movies being that while america sometimes makes mistakes, in the end the american has a good heart and conscience and should be forgiven. You don’t see in these movies american soldiers raping civilans, laughing about it, and suffering no ill conseque…

> You don’t see in these movies american soldiers raping civilans, laughing about it, and suffering no ill consequences

Have you watched Apocalypse Now Redux? Because I can remember a scene that is very similar to that description. In this movie, the American military or government has no good heart, no conscience and breeds madness and senseless death.

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Post by ihalip »

metb wrote: post #29
crate_barre wrote: post #2

The other country that is doing this at Hollywood scale is China, and it’s not just their ‘only popular in China’ movies like Wolf Warrior (1 and 2). Some scenes: https://youtu.be/g7y36UIRAjo IP Man 4, which is more well known to western audiences: https://youtu.be/OlW2VphUNd4 https://youtu.be/JFmaPK0JyVQ You get the idea. Americans make movies where America good, everyone bad. China is now making movies where China…

Regarding China, most Hollywood studios seem to be kowtowing Chinese line these days. I have noticed a clear trend in Hollywood movies where they don't portray anything negative about China, and usually project things in positive light. This same trend can be observed in most mainstream media's projection of China. Worldwide, China is definitely reaching proportions that were only possible for the US earlier in influ…

> most Hollywood studios seem to be kowtowing Chinese line these days.

This is because the same movies are also distributed in China, which is a huge market.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by h0h0h0h0111 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #61
cm2187 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda than it was ever then, except that wokeism is the theme of the day. In some instances it has completely taken over the plot, like in the last season of Fargo, to the point of becoming some sort of unwatcheable catechism.

> I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda I think the past efforts were pretty blatant. I think we just know more about how they operate and so it becomes easier to see. > wokeism Would love to know what this means.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by jfmarshall »

The propaganda effort shown in popular movies is just a small tip of the iceberg.

The United States and its state-run propaganda and terrorism organisations cannot be allowed to walk through the 21st century without answering and making amends to the crimes committed.

It has never before been more urgent to question and criticise the United States for its past decades of war, propaganda, sowing discord and effort to partition the world into those who are with them, subordinate, and those who are against them.

It is a good thing that we are still allowed to speak about it without being accused of being shills, spies, or "Russian trolls". But it might not last if these people get their way.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by foldr »

vintermann wrote: post #80
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #61

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> I think Hollywood is lot less subtle now at trying to push political propaganda I think the past efforts were pretty blatant. I think we just know more about how they operate and so it becomes easier to see. > wokeism Would love to know what this means.

Something like this? https://twitter.com/raytheontech/status/880497266255175685?l... It's not that there's something wrong with gay rights, or any other specific social cause powerful organizations adopt. It's just that it's a very cheap way to win a positive image for things that ... would have trouble getting a positive image if focus was on their core business.

It's possible to be not totally cynical about this stuff. The CEO of Raytheon might very well genuinely support gay rights. After all, many people do.

Also, I don't really see the connection between this tweet and Holywood.

Re: Pentagon and CIA shaped thousands of Hollywood movies into effective propaganda

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Post by elcapitan »

doovd wrote: post #71
elcapitan wrote: post #57

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This is completely true, but I wouldn't forget the role of the US Lend-Lease Policy in this [1]. After the German attack, the SU wasn't really able to defend itself on the material side (same as the UK after the Dunkirk loss), and supplies were provided heavily by the US. > Roughly 17.5 million tons of military equipment, vehicles, industrial supplies, and food were shipped from the Western Hemisphere to the USSR, 94…

Not sure what to make of this. The lend-lease stuff is hardly extraordinary, it would have been crazy if they _didn't!_. Furthermore, the US received almost a similar amount of goods in return (US received 8bln from allies when they lended out 11bln to USSR). All usual and unremarkable stuff. Furthermore, it's hardly fair to equate suppy of aid (which the US can afford because of their capitalist practices of exploit…

You're quoting pretty selectively there.

11 billions went to the Soviet Union alone. The overall program was almost 50 billion. The reverse program of 7 billions is basically a calculatory sum of the lend and lease of military bases by the British Empire to the US.

> suppy of aid (which the US can afford because of their capitalist practices of exploitation etc)

That's a pretty wild statement considering how the Soviet Union created its resources (with slave labor of millions of people in the Gulag system).

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