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Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by xfz »

yoaviram wrote: post #347
BeefySwain wrote: post #21

NOTE: It is possible to freeze access to your employment data here: https://employees.theworknumber.com/employee-data-freeze That being said, it doesn't stop employers from continuing to hand Equifax your data on a gold platter, and therefore does nothing to protect you from the inevitable data breach that will result in Equifax being required to give everyone affected $0.36 or one year of free credit monitoring.

Or send them a CCPA data deletion request: https://yourdigitalrights.org/d/equifax.com . This will generate a request email. You can then change the wordings to indicate that you are interested in deleting your salary history data. Disclaimer: I'm one of the creators of YourDigitalRights.org.

Nice site. You should probably update it for Brexit though. There are two GDPRs, for now.

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Post by azalemeth »

kodemager wrote: post #381
randmeerkat wrote: post #266

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This is what crony capitalism looks like.

I think it’s hard to look at what capitalism has become today and say much positive about it. I say this as someone who works in investment finance where we sell semi-rich semi-professional investors the opportunity to become richer by building solar and wind power plants, and selling them when they are fully operational. Which is about as positive as it gets in capitalism in my experience, considering we’re actually…

I'm a foreigner with a Danish job and I very much like the country. It's refreshingly different. Money is still very important but I think infinitely less so compared to the states; it isn't what motivates people.

It's also interesting to note that Denmark has negative interest rates and anyone with more than 100k DKK is really quite punished for keeping it in the bank. I'm glad that your company provides a vehicle for the upper middle classes to use their wealth well. What's it called? And what's the name of the two supermarkets you mentioned (is one of them Føtex?)

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Post by oblio »

dumpsterdiver wrote: post #322
gostsamo wrote: post #310

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Those were example numbers. The key part is the asimetric information: the new company knows your rock bottom, while you have no way to know their upper limit.

Yeah, I get it, and you're not wrong - you'll probably end up with a higher salary operating that way. It's just not for me. I've already reached my "good enough" salary (the hard way), and at this point I'm more focused on what I can give back.

You don't get it. It's not about you.

Statistically, with this setup, companies will constantly underpay. Yes, there will be some outliers being overpaid or those happy with their salary, but most will be in fact underpaid.

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Post by xfz »

kube-system wrote: post #308
int_19h wrote: post #302

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> I'm okay with credit card companies monitoring this I'm not. If they want to know, they can ask me for a paystub.

Credit card companies do ask for permission to pull financial information from brokers when you sign up.

What if you say no?

It's not really consent if declining affects your chances of getting credit or, worse, employment.

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Post by jokethrowaway »

throwawayboise wrote: post #194
what_ever wrote: post #121

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Does the system not ask for SSN to pull this data? If yes, how did Google get your SSN? Disc: Googler.

LOL. Google knows your SSN. They know everybody's SSN.

That's a good point, I wonder how many people googled their SSN or just typed it in the chrome URL bar

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Post by mostertoaster »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #330
randmeerkat wrote: post #266

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This is what crony capitalism looks like.

It’s also what regular capitalism looks like.

Regular capitalism is when you decide between having your cake or eating it.

Crony capitalism occurs when people start to want to have their cake and eat it too.

Capitalism’s basis is that everyone is a servant. This means we’re all lower than the king, but we are also are kings ourselves. However crony capitalism occurs when a servant makes himself greater than his master, when the greatest king and master of all showed the way to prosperity was by becoming the greatest servant.

Our politicians character is proof that capitalism has failed, because they want to be kings, but they do not want to be servants.

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Post by CalRobert »

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #274
ralph84 wrote: post #192

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If they didn't their employees would be pretty pissed when they're unable to get a mortgage.

So go to HR and say "please sign this form that says I make $X" rather than preemptively broadcasting it?

This is exactly what happened when I applied for a mortgage here in Ireland. Seemed fine.

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Post by kennethh »

niemenmaa wrote: post #293
speedgoose wrote: post #239

Meanwhile in Norway, every citizen can check the income, wealth, and taxes statements of other citizens and companies. https://www.skatteetaten.no/en/forms/search-the-tax-lists/

Interesting to read about the Norway's system! I would guess that "If you search for anyone, they can see that you did" is pretty fair but can hinder one's curiosity for searching the information. Also interesting that public lists for media is no longer distributed. How have media outlets taken this? Here in Finland Tax office publishes lists of all over 100k earners to media and they are published as public lists o…

In Norway if someone looks up your income you can see who did it since they need to login with an approved ID system linked to your social security number. So i practice most people do not look up other people they know.

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Post by colordrops »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #383
sofixa wrote: post #131

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Or, combine with other people to fight the ridiculous system? Even if you manage to pull off a life like this, you're limiting yourself significantly and leaving many people behind.

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Where do you live now? Is it the least shitty place you've lived? And if not, where?

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Post by AareyBaba »

teraflop wrote: post #140
pianoben wrote: post #9

"To log in, enter your SSN, date of birth, home address, and" No way, no how.

I dutifully entered everything they asked for, because, you know, they're Equifax and they undoubtedly have it already. Then they said I needed a "verification code" and gave me the option of half a dozen phone numbers and email addresses to choose from... none of which remotely resembled anything I've ever had (the email addresses all contained my surname and appeared to be randomly generated). When I clicked the "n…

You entered data in a pop-up frame - how are you confident it is Equifax that you were providing your SS and birthday ?
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