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Re: Norton 360 Now Comes with a Cryptominer

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Post by qeternity » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 7:53 AM UTC

petee wrote: post #58

qeternity wrote: post #29

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> Now imagine if tomorrow Microsoft decided to add a crypto wallet and mining tools to Windows, or Google to Chrome. People keep saying this as if crypto isn't already mainstream. Exchanges have hundreds of millions of customers. A significant portion of the world has traded crypto. And 99.99% aren't doing anything else with it but speculate. It's not as if magically bundling a wallet on millions of machines will sud…

Last stats i just saw pegged the world wide number around 100 million. Lets be generous and say 500 million, versus 7.9 billion world pop puts you at a generous 6%, not exactly mainstream. (pdf) https://assets.ctfassets.net/hfgyig42jimx/5u8QqK4lqjEgL506mO... https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/crypto-u...

This is based on on-chain data. A huge number of people never actually interact with the underlying chains of the tokens they trade (which is my entire point). The article you link to notes this.

But 100m people isn’t mainstream? Coinbase has 73m (mostly American) customers itself, and undoubtedly there are many many more who know of Coinbase but aren’t customers. The Super Bowl commands fewer than 100m viewers. Crypto companies are sponsoring sports teams and stadiums. Matt Damon is doing commercials for them.

You don’t think that’s mainstream?

Re: Norton 360 Now Comes with a Cryptominer

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Post by HelloNurse » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 12:46 PM UTC

_8j50 wrote: post #83

HelloNurse wrote: post #53

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Even a protection racket reduces crime. The trick is that it is someone else's crime.

For it to be a racket the av vendors need to collaborate with malwaee authors

Actually, I meant a "honest" protection racket that protects against actual rival gangs. The point is that replacing something bad (malware) with something bad (AV software) isn't always a gain.

Re: Norton 360 Now Comes with a Cryptominer

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Post by petee » Fri, Jan 07, 2022, 4:42 PM UTC

qeternity wrote: post #91

petee wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last stats i just saw pegged the world wide number around 100 million. Lets be generous and say 500 million, versus 7.9 billion world pop puts you at a generous 6%, not exactly mainstream. (pdf) https://assets.ctfassets.net/hfgyig42jimx/5u8QqK4lqjEgL506mO... https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/currencies/crypto-u...

This is based on on-chain data. A huge number of people never actually interact with the underlying chains of the tokens they trade (which is my entire point). The article you link to notes this. But 100m people isn’t mainstream? Coinbase has 73m (mostly American) customers itself, and undoubtedly there are many many more who know of Coinbase but aren’t customers. The Super Bowl commands fewer than 100m viewers. Cryp…

So there is no data for off-chain, so nobody knows?

In the world, no 100m is not mainstream, particularly by its definition, "the ideas, attitudes, or activities that are regarded as normal or conventional; the dominant trend in opinion, fashion, or the arts." Crypto is not normal or conventional yet, traditional money is still dominant; its more a curiosity.

You make a good argument about the superbowl, but parallel your first sentence - viewership was only at the time of, and doesn't account for people present or who watched at a later date (ie., many). It's also been around for decades as part of American culture, maybe crypto will do this eventually. I don't see statistics for coinbase by country, but 73m is their total userbase.