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Post by kube-system »

mjevans wrote: post #235
Larrikin wrote: post #228

This site is also another attack on Google Voice and similar numbers. The sign up mysteriously failed when I provided my Google Voice with no explanation. Suddenly worked when I provided my T-Mobile number. I expect more unblockable spam soon.

I loath sites that 'block voip' category services; as if Google Voice hasn't been proven MORE SECURE than T-mobile already.

Websites aren’t blocking VOIP numbers for security reasons, they’re usually blocking them for spam/trust/abuse reasons.

It is easy for someone on the other side of the planet to get a US VOIP number. It’s much harder for them to get a T-Mobile number.

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Post by int_19h »

mgraczyk wrote: post #54

Very interesting, I didn't expect the accuracy and detail in this data. All of my pay from Intel, Google, Facebook is in here. Qualcomm apparently did not report. Also, Google (my latest employer) pulled the data just before I started working, after giving me an offer. My credit card company pulls the data every month, sometimes 2-3 times per month. Several mortgage originators have also pulled the data even though I…

> I'm okay with credit card companies monitoring this

I'm not. If they want to know, they can ask me for a paystub.

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Post by lultimouomo »

snambi wrote: post #127
jf wrote: post #30

Learning that this website exists, and then finding detailed and accurate information in my record is what convinced me to start sharing my salary data with my peers. As I see it, this database is a breach of an implicit social contract between me and the companies that I work for. Since my employers apparently have no issues sharing my salary with their peers, I see no reason not to do the same with my peers.

If all employees share their salary information with each other, it becomes a headache for the employer. Each employee may quote the other person's salary demanding a raise. This is the reason behind the "keep your data confidential" idea.

If all employers share their salary information with each other, it becomes a headache for the employee. Each employer may quote the other employer's salary refusing a raise.

This is the reason behind the "put all the data in a database" idea.

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Post by doix »

Dave_Rosenthal wrote: post #211
onion2k wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to lie. There's nothing wrong with saying "My current salary is $xxxxx, but I feel that my employer undervalues my skills so I want $yyyyyy. It's why I'm leaving my current role." There is no reason why your future salary has to be based on your current salary. If the employer you're negotiating with disagrees then walking away is the best option because they undervalue your skills too.

In practice future salaries are heavily based on current ones because that is what the new employer is de facto negotiating against. Very few people, in my experience, are willing to entertain a new job with a salary much lower than their last one. And very few employers are willing to 'leave money on the table' and offer more than they think they need to close the candidate simply because the candidate thinks they h…

> This kind of goes against conventional wisdom, but I actually don't think that switching jobs is the strongest time to ask for more money. I think it's after you have gotten into a role, are killing it, and adding crazy value to the company. That's when you actually have a lot of leverage to say 'hey, I love what I'm doing here and I should be paid a lot more'.

Out of curiosity, has that worked for you? My previous employer only gave me a significant raise after I threatened to quit (with an offer waiting at another company). I ended up doing it a few times. Eventually I got tired of constantly interviewing and threatening to quit and did a sideways move to a YC backed company. Total comp is about the same, maybe slightly lower, but maybe the stocks will pay out some day :D. Being fully remote is a nice perk though.

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Post by MathCodeLove »

nocardium wrote: post #257
vulcan01 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need to. Your employer can give this info to whoever they want, and many give this data to Equifax or one of the other credit agencies. Also, you might give your bank employment details, and your bank will most likely send that info to a credit agency as well. There's not much of an escape.

If I bundle my personal information together into an nft and then buy that nft, could I issue the credit agency with a DMCA takedown notice?

Try it and let us know!

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Post by int_19h »

hypothesis wrote: post #63

That last link says that data is exempt from CCPA. > The Work Number® database is subject to the Fair Credit Reporting Act (FCRA) > Data that is regulated by the FCRA, as well as data used for employment purposes, is exempt from the CCPA.

Isn't this basically just federal law overriding state law?

Re: Tell HN: Salary data is for sale

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Post by kube-system »

int_19h wrote: post #302
mgraczyk wrote: post #54

Very interesting, I didn't expect the accuracy and detail in this data. All of my pay from Intel, Google, Facebook is in here. Qualcomm apparently did not report. Also, Google (my latest employer) pulled the data just before I started working, after giving me an offer. My credit card company pulls the data every month, sometimes 2-3 times per month. Several mortgage originators have also pulled the data even though I…

> I'm okay with credit card companies monitoring this I'm not. If they want to know, they can ask me for a paystub.

Credit card companies do ask for permission to pull financial information from brokers when you sign up.

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Post by a-dub »

tru3_power wrote: post #39
a-dub wrote: post #29

> * Who has accessed the report in the past 24 months so now your current and future employers can see if you've been talking to other companies? that's... wrong.

Wait can other parties see the view count too?

finally got in. that's unclear, it might just be for you. i'll have to ask an hr friend.

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Post by gostsamo »

dumpsterdiver wrote: post #280
gostsamo wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine that your new employer knows your past salary. They can offer you 10% above it and this might be sufficient in enough cases. However, if they don't know it, they will be in the fog of war and they will have to guess much more and be ready for a wider salary range. In such scenarios the new offer might not be 10% but something like 30%. Now, imagine the accumulated effect over 2-3 employers over time.

I've had pretty good success being completely honest about my salary requirements. A 10% raise just won't cut for me, because I care about my team. The only way I'm willing to leave is for a % raise, and comparable benefits. Edit: I'm probably biased, because I've been shown a lot of love the past few years by my current employer, in the form of money.

Those were example numbers. The key part is the asimetric information: the new company knows your rock bottom, while you have no way to know their upper limit.
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