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Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business

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No, you don't have to use Safari, which is limited to eight search engines. You can use Firefox, which allows more search engines. Yes, its renderer is the same, but it is different software, and this isn't a thread about the renderer.

I (and I imagine a lot of sysadmin/MSP types) don't care about grouping tabs as much as to be able to log into the same site with multiple login IDs at the same time.

Which also has nothing at all to do with non-default search engine options.

Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business

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With the usual disclaimer about my Google experience not being anyone elses Google experience: For my work Kagi is already beating Google. In fact there is is almost no competition, it is almost as if they are in completely different leagues: In one month I have once gone back to find something in Google that Kagi couldn't find. For every other query the results have been so good that I haven't even bothered to check…

From Kagi's FAQ: "Our searching includes anonymized requests to traditional search indexes like Google and Bing as well as vertical sources like Wikipedia and DeepL or other APIs. We also have our own non-commercial index (Teclis), news index (TinyGem), and an AI for instant answers." So, apparently Kagi is scraping Google and Bing results via a browser extension. Is this legal ?

They are paying for results, that seems fair and fully disclosed in their FAQ. I'd be curious to see how it performs (waiting for an invite).

Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business

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That's assuming apple maps will actually serve you reliable navigation one day. I'm tired of uturns, unprotected lefts, and not finding local restaurants that are on google and every single grubhub type service on the internet except apple maps seemingly.

> I'm tired of uturns, unprotected lefts I get this with Google Maps and not Apple Maps so your anecdotal experience is at least questionable.

Maybe it depends on the city but apple maps is pretty worthless in LA for this, as well as not having a lot of businesses in their catalog for whatever reason. Looking up a local place that comes easily on google maps can bring up something halfway across the country in Apple maps. Waze was also notoriously bad at this, I about had it one day and just pulled over uninstalled the app when it asked me yet again to make an unprotected left. I shopped around for sure, but only google maps seems to avoid the unprotected moves as well as get all the local businesses. Even some food trucks are on google maps.

Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business

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Maps was different, I believe. Google wanted substantial concessions from Apple for them to continue using Google Maps (and to build out new features like turn-by-turn navigation), Apple balked, and Apple Maps was born.

My understanding was this happened during contract renewal for Apple's access to Google Maps and YouTube. This was back when Apple wrote the apps and had them preinstalled. For Maps specifically, Google wanted Apple to - push users to log into their Google account - sharing location data upstream to Google Supposedly, Google had withheld new feature access from Apple until they got location data reported upstream - t…

The first part of what you said lines up with my memories of that era. As for the negotiations, the scuttlebutt at the time was that Apple was worried negotiations with Google would break down, as tensions were already rising between the two, since there was some animosity over Eric Schmidt possibly using his knowledge of Apple's product roadmap (he was a member of Apple's board at the time) to help Android. Since the contract ended at the end of the calendar year, it would potentially leave Apple with a non-functional maps app; since Apple didn't (and still doesn't, although they're getting better about this) like to ship big feature updates outside of major OS releases, it was either release their own mapping service before it was fully-cooked or give in to Google's demands.

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In my opinion, everybody who doesn't think it's hard to escape did not research Apple well enough. I showed you (some) evidence that it's a closed ecosystem. You could show me something suggesting it's not, if you are so sure.

> In my opinion… This is more honest. It’s just your opinion. Not something ‘everyone agrees’ with. You are entitled to your opinion. But its a delusion when you think everyone must believe what you do.

You still did not answer why you have a different opinion.

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post #376

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> In my opinion… This is more honest. It’s just your opinion. Not something ‘everyone agrees’ with. You are entitled to your opinion. But its a delusion when you think everyone must believe what you do.

You still did not answer why you have a different opinion.

So what? I don’t owe you anything. I’m simply pointing out that you don’t speak for everyone.

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You still did not answer why you have a different opinion.

So what? I don’t owe you anything. I’m simply pointing out that you don’t speak for everyone.

Never do you. Apple confirming user restriction should be enough evidence for everyone to understand that their system is a closed ecosystem.

Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business

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post #386

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So what? I don’t owe you anything. I’m simply pointing out that you don’t speak for everyone.

Never do you. Apple confirming user restriction should be enough evidence for everyone to understand that their system is a closed ecosystem.

Nobody said it’s not closed.

You claimed everyone agrees it’s hard to leave. That’s simply false.

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