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Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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I think the issue might be that ATOM is the less ambiguous feed specification and RSS should be just left to languish. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom_(Web_standard)#Atom_compa...

That doesn’t mention either of what I think are the most important differences:

(a) That RSS doesn’t support relative URLs, whereas Atom supports xml:base. I think some clients support xml:base on RSS, but certainly not all, so all links should be converted to absolute in RSS for compatibility.

(b) That RSS titles are of an unspecified format and bodies are only mostly HTML, leading to things like angle brackets in titles being mangled in different and incompatible ways by different clients, and plain text bodies being unreliable (indicated by the mess which is I think theoretically identical in semantics to , but they felt the need to duplicate it because clients had made such a mess of because RSS developed “organically” in the worst way). By contrast, Atom gets it all right, allowing you to specify in each case whether you’re providing text or HTML. (And HTML is useful in titles: things like and are completely reasonable, and it’s a crying shame that almost no content management systems support inline formatting in titles. But if you are converting to plain text and know you’re dealing with HTML, you can strip tags. I do wish it supported both, e.g. “You don’t need cat” and “You don’t need `cat`” so you get backticks if monospace formatting is denied you.)

RSS is a mess that should have been completely retired about fifteen years ago. If you’re doing podcasts you have to use RSS because Apple started doing podcasts a few months before Atom was finalised, and they’ve chosen to just keep layering hacks upon hacks, namespaces upon namespaces, duplication upon duplication, for the next 16 years, rather than ever switching to Atom which would have resolved a lot of that (and maybe worked to standardise other parts, rather than duplicating fields half a dozen times for RSS, Apple, Spotify, &c. &c.). But if you’re not doing podcasts, please let RSS die. As a term, too, in favour of just “feeds” or “web feeds”, because it’s harmful, leading to people only hearing of RSS and so implement RSS because they didn’t realise they should be implementing Atom.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#133
Another service that would be useful would be an email list to rss bridge. So you can get marketing emails as rss then easily unsubscribe by simple removing the feed.

One reason i love rss is a deal site in my country offer a feed of when a particular product is at a discount. So i can subscribe to those and get alerts when that happens.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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I almost never find something I want to follow that doesn't have a feed. As someone pointed out to me, most of the RSS nostalgia is really more Google Reader nostalgia. I found that weird as it wasn't the first or the last RSS reader I used, but it was the reader that made RSS closest to mainstream. And for many people, it was the only reader they ever used, and so they're completely unaware of the ecosystem of web-b…

It's not just pushing web-based readers: I think the largest thing behind Google Reader nostalgia was social . It was Google's biggest social network to date in terms of daily active usage. (They'll throw stats that Google Plus did "better", but who is nostalgic for Google Plus, exactly?) That's why it got the closest to breaking mainstream: it wasn't just "go out in the wilds and hunt for RSS feeds on blogs" like mo…

I miss interesting posts from Kernel developer and Google employee on Google+.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#136

Another service that would be useful would be an email list to rss bridge. So you can get marketing emails as rss then easily unsubscribe by simple removing the feed. One reason i love rss is a deal site in my country offer a feed of when a particular product is at a discount. So i can subscribe to those and get alerts when that happens.

NewsBlur has this capability

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just pushing web-based readers: I think the largest thing behind Google Reader nostalgia was social . It was Google's biggest social network to date in terms of daily active usage. (They'll throw stats that Google Plus did "better", but who is nostalgic for Google Plus, exactly?) That's why it got the closest to breaking mainstream: it wasn't just "go out in the wilds and hunt for RSS feeds on blogs" like mo…

I miss interesting posts from Kernel developer and Google employee on Google+.

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Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#138

I almost never find something I want to follow that doesn't have a feed. As someone pointed out to me, most of the RSS nostalgia is really more Google Reader nostalgia. I found that weird as it wasn't the first or the last RSS reader I used, but it was the reader that made RSS closest to mainstream. And for many people, it was the only reader they ever used, and so they're completely unaware of the ecosystem of web-b…

It's not just pushing web-based readers: I think the largest thing behind Google Reader nostalgia was social . It was Google's biggest social network to date in terms of daily active usage. (They'll throw stats that Google Plus did "better", but who is nostalgic for Google Plus, exactly?) That's why it got the closest to breaking mainstream: it wasn't just "go out in the wilds and hunt for RSS feeds on blogs" like mo…

Dammit I miss the Google Reader social scene.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#139
> 1. Open PRs for browsers with provided-by-us code to integrate RSS again [..]

You need to get the big names on board, namely Chrome/Chromium, Firefox and Edge. Google and Microsoft seem quite happy with not supporting RSS, they don't want you to bypass their services.

I think simple RSS feed readers are still the way forwards. The browser should not pretend to be an RSS feed aggregator and the RSS feed reader should not pretend to be a browser.

> 4. Implement easy to use libraries for programming languages that might miss them.

I think that it would be great to advocate for the largest website frameworks to have these on by default. For example, WordPress. The biggest boundary are these websites that serve text/images but do _everything_ in JS.

> 5. Create a website that explains why this is important, that hosts or links to the specifications and that contains additional documentation.

I think that a feed validator is good [1], standardized icons (along with style guides) [2], a service to convert existing pages into feeds, guides on what content and how much content to insert, etc.

I believe that it would be good to start having discussions about how to decentralize RSS too, with signed feeds allowing third-party propagation without fear of tampering. (Note that in keeping with RSS, this would be simple and optional.)

Another thing I have wondered about how to address is the processing of comments/feedback, bypassing the requirement of a browser entirely. It's still not clear to me how to do this simply, securely and effectively, in my mind this is still an open question.

> If this is of interest to you, consider joining https://gitter.im/FosterRSS/community.

Requiring some kind of sign-up in order to interact with content (in this case messaging) seems kind of anti-RSS. I would personally suggest something like IRC or XMP.

[1] https://validator.w3.org/feed/

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RSS

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#140
post #78

News aggregators are my main business since 2001 and all I can say is that reports of the death of RSS have been greatly exaggerated. Recently launched https://biztoc.com where 75% is still RSS, the rest being APIs and custom scraping. Yes, support is not increasing but drops among established sites are very rare — Even all major crypto news sites sport a feed.

I’m curious, what is your business model? Biztoc.com doesn’t seem to have ads and it’s free.
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