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Re: Keyboard lets people type so fast it’s banned from typing competitions

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Post by Izkata »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #260
Aperocky wrote: post #207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

playing the devil's advocate, typing speed is important for these reasons: 1. It allows for minimal disruption to thinking process, close to 90% of the time even when coding is not actively typing, but when typing is subconscious and fast it removes the potential of where it interrupts the thinking process. 2. While this has no bearing on individual case (It would be Bayesian, some people consider that to be heretic)…

> It allows for minimal disruption to thinking process Willing to dive into this a bit more? My personal experience is different so I figure this is a chance to learn something new. The subjective character of typing experience for me is like riding a bike, driving a car, walking, or speaking. That is to say that unless I'm mountain biking, off-roading, on a balance beam, or trying to say a tongue twister, for the mo…

> My paltry 50-60wpm doesn't feel like an impediment to putting thoughts into text, but maybe others feel differently.

That may be high enough that you don't have the impediment, but when you work with someone who types down around 10-15 WPM... You can definitely tell they're spending a lot of brainpower on hunt-and-peck instead of the problem they're actually trying to solve.

Basically there's diminishing returns on increasing WPM and you may be at or past the tipping point. I expect it'll be different not just for different people, but also for whatever they're currently working on.

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Post by wartijn_ »

Accacin wrote: post #223
nikanj wrote: post #102

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The performance in that video is nothing like the performance in the 500 WPM video. Accuracy is well under 100%, and he seems to be actually inputting random words - not just macroing a pre-defined phrase.

I don't mean to be rude, but did you even watch it? He explains the firmware deletes a word when it detects a chord which skews the accuracy.

That's the point the other commenters make. If that's what's happening, why does the 500wpm 100% accuracy?

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Post by marcodiego »

500 WPM! I wonder bandwidth measurements we'll soon have to consider with regards to transfer rates in human computer interfaces. I've seen blind people use computers with synthesizers much faster than human are able to talk, maybe even read.

We are still far from programming languages which can make reasonable use of such bandwidth though.

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Post by Talanes »

Retric wrote: post #298
thanhhaimai wrote: post #280

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> Monkeytpe won’t let Keen run up the leaderboard, but he did win another typing competition using the CharaChorder to hit 267 WPM with 76% accuracy. IMHO, 76% accuracy is honestly low. If the person has to sacrifice so much accuracy to hit 267 I'm not sure it's worth it. For most typing, making a mistake actually interrupts your thought process. This speed is only achievable/useful when there are text on the screen…

“CharaChorder’s internal processor arranges the letters on-screen in real time faster than the human eye can perceive.” So, 76% may also be an artifact due to the way the keyboard interprets inputs rather than something a user would need to correct.

The 76% was from his competition score. It's a measure of the keyboards actual output, not the error rate of the typist. Any corrections the keyboard makes are already accounted for.

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Post by maximus-decimus »

epolanski wrote: post #257
umvi wrote: post #7

The "500 WPM" video is a little suspect. He types literally one memorized sentence and extrapolates a WPM from that one 10 word sentence. I'd like to see him actually type 500 meaningful words in under 60 seconds. Anyway, this is cool but basically just a modern stenography device. Steno has a learning curve problem that makes it so most people won't use it.

Exactly, I'm a touch typist and regularly train on various websites. The biggest blocker after you start reaching high speeds isn't even the keyboard but the brain. You need to read far far ahead to write at 130+ wpm you basically are typing a word while you read the following sentence. 200+ requires writing even more ahead. A normal person can barely "mentally process" that many words per second.

The average person speaks at 160 words so i have a hard time believing they can't process 130. Although that would explain why people say things that are so stupid lol.

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Post by Groxx »

Talanes wrote: post #315
Retric wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“CharaChorder’s internal processor arranges the letters on-screen in real time faster than the human eye can perceive.” So, 76% may also be an artifact due to the way the keyboard interprets inputs rather than something a user would need to correct.

The 76% was from his competition score. It's a measure of the keyboards actual output, not the error rate of the typist. Any corrections the keyboard makes are already accounted for.

Not if multi-step words are handled by writing the wrong thing first, then deleting and replacing it when the second set of inputs comes in. Which is a very common strategy for implementing chorded keyboards.

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Post by Groxx »

kmonsen wrote: post #233
zck wrote: post #154

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I bet the 76% accuracy is coming from the CharaChorder's input method. From its website ( https://www.charachorder.com/product-page/charachorder ): > CharaChorder’s internal processor arranges the letters on-screen in real time faster than the human eye can perceive. So if it inputs one word, deletes it, and writes a new word every time you press a new letter, that would result in some decreased accuracy, even if the…

could they not do that on device and only spit out the correct characters when it feels certain?

Probably. But then it's harder to learn because you have no feedback until you finish something. And for chorded keyboards especially, you're kinda always learning, because the dictionaries are huge and you often keep tweaking them to fit your personal needs.

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Post by epolanski »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #316
epolanski wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, I'm a touch typist and regularly train on various websites. The biggest blocker after you start reaching high speeds isn't even the keyboard but the brain. You need to read far far ahead to write at 130+ wpm you basically are typing a word while you read the following sentence. 200+ requires writing even more ahead. A normal person can barely "mentally process" that many words per second.

The average person speaks at 160 words so i have a hard time believing they can't process 130. Although that would explain why people say things that are so stupid lol.

That was referred to the 500 wpm.
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