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The ITC declares Google infringed on audio tech patents held by Sonos [pdf]

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Re: The ITC declares Google infringed on audio tech patents held by Sonos [pdf]

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Is Sonos suing Apple as well? Seems like the tech in dispute is also used by HomePods and AirPlay.

I can't quickly find anything about Sonos suing Apple, and in fact Apple was selling Sonos speakers in their stores in 2020 [1]. What is the deal?

[1] https://www.imore.com/apple-begins-sell-sonos-speaker-compan...

Re: The ITC declares Google infringed on audio tech patents held by Sonos [pdf]

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Is Sonos suing Apple as well? Seems like the tech in dispute is also used by HomePods and AirPlay. I can't quickly find anything about Sonos suing Apple, and in fact Apple was selling Sonos speakers in their stores in 2020 [1]. What is the deal? [1] https://www.imore.com/apple-begins-sell-sonos-speaker-compan...

Google explicitly partnered with Sonos in a collaborative project to find out how Sonos' tech worked, then copied it. It's plausible that Sonos feels Google explicitly stole from them, and Apple built something else.

Or, empowered by a win against Google, they file suit against Apple tomorrow. No reason to be in two high cost lawsuits at the same time.

Re: The ITC declares Google infringed on audio tech patents held by Sonos [pdf]

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As far as I can tell, these are the patents mentioned in the document: Method and apparatus for adjusting volume levels in a multi-zone system - https://patents.google.com/patent/US8588949B2/en System and method for synchronizing operations among a plurality of independently clocked digital data processing devices - https://patents.google.com/patent/US9195258B2/en Multi-channel pairing in a media system - https://pat…

The patent system is so broken.

Yes, so broken that the original inventors of a product class had to spend $50 million on litigation in not even a court, but rather a quasi court in DC after a trillion dollar company stole their IP, because it's the last place where patent holders in the US get a reasonably fair shake.

Re: The ITC declares Google infringed on audio tech patents held by Sonos [pdf]

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As far as I can tell, these are the patents mentioned in the document: Method and apparatus for adjusting volume levels in a multi-zone system - https://patents.google.com/patent/US8588949B2/en System and method for synchronizing operations among a plurality of independently clocked digital data processing devices - https://patents.google.com/patent/US9195258B2/en Multi-channel pairing in a media system - https://pat…

Google will probably have to get the patents themselves removed, by proving prior work or such. Those patents are way too broad.

I wonder what Bose does, they have their own multiroom system. Do they license the patents from Sonos?

Re: The ITC declares Google infringed on audio tech patents held by Sonos [pdf]

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Is Sonos suing Apple as well? Seems like the tech in dispute is also used by HomePods and AirPlay. I can't quickly find anything about Sonos suing Apple, and in fact Apple was selling Sonos speakers in their stores in 2020 [1]. What is the deal? [1] https://www.imore.com/apple-begins-sell-sonos-speaker-compan...

Google explicitly partnered with Sonos in a collaborative project to find out how Sonos' tech worked, then copied it. It's plausible that Sonos feels Google explicitly stole from them, and Apple built something else. Or, empowered by a win against Google, they file suit against Apple tomorrow. No reason to be in two high cost lawsuits at the same time.

Any source to back up this claim?

This sounds unusually stupid, even for Goggle - because they could've just poached a few engineers and it would be less risky than public, high-profile corporate espionage.

Re: The ITC declares Google infringed on audio tech patents held by Sonos [pdf]

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As far as I can tell, these are the patents mentioned in the document: Method and apparatus for adjusting volume levels in a multi-zone system - https://patents.google.com/patent/US8588949B2/en System and method for synchronizing operations among a plurality of independently clocked digital data processing devices - https://patents.google.com/patent/US9195258B2/en Multi-channel pairing in a media system - https://pat…

Hopefully big G won't find a way to weasel out now that they don't have as much executive favor with the US government as they used to. Bear in mind this case is more than just Google using some common patents: Google worked with Sonos on a collaborative project as a way to gain access to internal details of how their technology worked, and then they stole it.

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Re: The ITC declares Google infringed on audio tech patents held by Sonos [pdf]

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Is Sonos suing Apple as well? Seems like the tech in dispute is also used by HomePods and AirPlay. I can't quickly find anything about Sonos suing Apple, and in fact Apple was selling Sonos speakers in their stores in 2020 [1]. What is the deal? [1] https://www.imore.com/apple-begins-sell-sonos-speaker-compan...

Apple has a whole system for patent licenses that they definitely use for third party sales in their stores, and ostensibly is involved in any Apple hardware and software protocols in jurisdictions with tight patent controls. Part of the idea of the lightning connector is keeping that sweet patent royalty money rolling in after switching from the (also patented, and also a golden goose) old 30pin connector. The patents on AirPlay are rolled up into the same program. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a preexisting cross licensing agreement with Sonos.

Re: The ITC declares Google infringed on audio tech patents held by Sonos [pdf]

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Is Sonos suing Apple as well? Seems like the tech in dispute is also used by HomePods and AirPlay. I can't quickly find anything about Sonos suing Apple, and in fact Apple was selling Sonos speakers in their stores in 2020 [1]. What is the deal? [1] https://www.imore.com/apple-begins-sell-sonos-speaker-compan...

Google explicitly partnered with Sonos in a collaborative project to find out how Sonos' tech worked, then copied it. It's plausible that Sonos feels Google explicitly stole from them, and Apple built something else. Or, empowered by a win against Google, they file suit against Apple tomorrow. No reason to be in two high cost lawsuits at the same time.

if the patent is legit, it would explain the invention and there would be no need to collaborate to steal the tech

Re: The ITC declares Google infringed on audio tech patents held by Sonos [pdf]

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Is Sonos suing Apple as well? Seems like the tech in dispute is also used by HomePods and AirPlay. I can't quickly find anything about Sonos suing Apple, and in fact Apple was selling Sonos speakers in their stores in 2020 [1]. What is the deal? [1] https://www.imore.com/apple-begins-sell-sonos-speaker-compan...

"We’re suing Google and we’d sue Amazon, too, if we had the resources to do it. They’re stealing our technology and trying to squeeze us out of business."

Seems like they'd want to follow up with an Amazon suit if this one is successful.

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/8/21056851/amazon-dave-limp-...

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