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Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#91
Putting on my (thankfully former) manager hat, I'd say that you are bearing the brunt of your boss's poor planning. As others have commented, you getting blamed by a skip-level manager is a bad sign and something is off. But, now that you know that, don't turn around and blame your manager for it or make a big stink. It will not be in your favor to make a big stink, especially if it's to take sides against them in a public way. Your relationship with your manager is important, so you have to find a way to move forward that doesn't inject more bad blood into the situation. Try to keep your conversations about this confidential--don't go blabbing about it and loudly complaining. It can make the environment toxic. As the low person on the totem pole, you might just get shown the door.

Going forward, make sure that expectations are clear. Particularly requirements! Make sure you have requirements spelled out, on paper, over email, in planning documents. Make sure you point out when requirements change, and do it over email or paper, or some durable medium. Don't let situations get murky and rely on faulty memories. In short, try to be the organized, rational, delivering engineer that puts in good work and reliably delivers. If your management doesn't have the attention span or organizational skills to spell out plans and requirements, then it's going to be on them when failure occurs.

Things not being on time is almost always management's fault. They set timelines. They set expectations. They have the power and make the decisions. As long as you are giving them good estimates and delivering, it's definitely their fault if things slip.

edit: I will add that you don't need to keep what you are working on confidential. Talk to your coworkers and friends about your technical challenges all the time. Just don't bad mouth your project or your manager.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#92
Write down all the criticisms & comments and add two columns : fair, actionable. Go down the columns and honestly put a tick in the boxes - if its a fair comment and if it's actionable. If you have any with two ticks then that's a learning point. This is great - you have a gift. Then decide what to do about them, you will get some progress and something to talk about in your interviews in the future.

Ignore the rest - there's nothing you can do about imaginary problems. If you get fired for them then you are being fired for an arbitrary reason, nothing to do with you - everything to do with them. If you ignore the real, actionable comments then that's on you - it will probably be fine in the long term - but not as good as it could be.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#93
I'm getting a suspicion of an "umbrella manager" here, like the boss is a storm and your manager has done a good job keeping you out of it. Either that or he threw you under the bus, but that feels less likely.

I would try and talk with your manager about this. See how he feels about the boss and their method of delivering feedback. If my suspicion is correct, he's getting it even worse than you.

Either way, I'd recommend you start hunting for your next gig. If your manager is dealing with the same type of degrading feedback, bring him too :)

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#94

My first boss used to mark up my work with red pen (it was a lot of printed output). He was correct to criticize the work, but really sucked how he went about it. Like, it was intentionally a bit demeaning. I left after a couple years, even though I was doing quite well. After reflection some years later, I would say I was overly reacted / was overly emotional over it. But it's hard to feel that way at the time. Alte…

The boss is definitely not incompetent (he's incredibly smart), and I don't feel like he's a dick either. Maybe this is just my naivete from being fresh in the job market, but I really wanted him to like me, and one of the things that bums me out the most here is that now I obviously feel like he doesn't. I do feel like some of his criticisms were unfair, but like I said in my post I can't deny that some of the problems are genuinely my fault.

Thanks for the encouraging words though. I probably am being overly emotional about it. I have a lot of model uncertainty about my boss so I have genuinely no idea whether he would fire me.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#95

A few takeaways from an old-timer here: > First, he basically tells me this project should have been finished a long time ago and he can't believe it's taken this long etc. I had no idea that he felt this way before the meeting - I've mostly just been working to get it done before the revised deadline my manager gave me. You need to communicate, build relationships, and get feedback from many people in the organizati…

> You need to communicate, build relationships, and get feedback from many people in the organization. One of those people is your manager's manager. That's an unreasonable expectation. That's your manager's job, not yours. If you have a skip level manager that is expecting direct updates from you... they're doing management wrong.

Building relationships with a skip level manager doesn't have to be about direct updates. It's not about going around your manager, either. It's building another channel of communication where you can ask for help on blockers, get updates on issues specific to what you're working on, build visibility for the work you are doing, and create good working relationships. Unless your manager never goes on vacation, you're going to have to work directly and report to your skip level manager at some point in time anyway. In my company, my manager has regular sync-up meetings with his skip level manager, and encourages me to do the same.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#96
Unfortunately alot of people don't know how to manage junior developers well.

Take it from me - you are FINE - you are doing well. I know this because you have the right attitude and you are working hard - these are the primary factors that determine how a junior developer is doing.

Do not be disheartened by the incompetence of your managers.

You are at the beginning of your career - keep doing exactly what you are doing.

In time you will find you have suddenly levelled up. Keep working hard and every few years you'll jump in level again.

Start looking for another job now - get out of that place because your career there is finished and your management are incompetent.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#98
post #8

The first meeting where your manager just abandoned you and you ended up talking to your manager's boss is totally inappropriate. Being so new to the job basically all the responsibility is with your direct manager and her boss is wrong to dump on you without your manager present. I'd give it another chance though, sounds like the work is fun and maybe you can communicate your concerns to your direct manager.

This was my reaction as well. The skip-level should not be the first person to let them know they're perceived as under-performing. OP: Schedule a 1 on 1 with your direct manager and have a conversation about all of this.

My skip-level at my first MAAAM job used to snipe at me when I was a new hire. He told me to my face he "would not have chosen me" and "didn't know how I got in." It made me so angry it was all I could do to hold my tongue until I got the fuck out of his office. But I went on to become very successful there, and he eventually had no choice politically but to support me. He got managed out a couple of years later.

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#99
It could just be some careless words by other manager and nothing comes of it.

It's very hard to know. Personally I'd write up my thoughts on the project, list the changing requirements and etc, but not share them at this point if you don't feel comfortable doing so.

I will say that I find the idea of any kind of astonishment or frustration about a project given to "new guy + first year out of college" guy is absolutely absurd.

Any "new guy + first year out of college" should have someone assigned to them and monitoring / helping and there should be NO surprises / blame assigned to "new guy + first year out of college" (outside of some very unlikely bonkers level lies or poor performance).

Re: Ask HN: My boss doesn't think I'm doing good work, how to proceed?

#100
post #48

A few takeaways from an old-timer here: > First, he basically tells me this project should have been finished a long time ago and he can't believe it's taken this long etc. I had no idea that he felt this way before the meeting - I've mostly just been working to get it done before the revised deadline my manager gave me. You need to communicate, build relationships, and get feedback from many people in the organizati…

> Do not put work into things that may or may not be needed. You're a junior dev, someone tells you something is needed, you work hard on it. I guess you learn to question your boss as to whether it's really needed, but that sometimes isn't optimal, either.

Trust, but verify. The advice was about how not to be a junior dev.
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