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Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by timr »

technothrasher wrote: post #559
timr wrote: post #528

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Yes, they are. They count anyone admitted to a hospital in NYC, at any time, for any duration: https://github.com/nychealth/coronavirus-data/blob/ced762b25... > Hospitalization counts reflect the total number of people with COVID-19 ever admitted to a hospital, not the number of people currently admitted. If you go to the ER and make it to a treatment area, you're admitted. These are bright-line distinctions. Nobody…

Really? Is this a NYC thing? Any hospital I’ve ever been in has considered the ER an outpatient service, and you are only admitted to the hospital if they transfer you from the ER to inpatient care. Do they consider other outpatient services, like, say, yearly physicals, an admission as well?

I can't speak to outpatient services, but hospitals report this data, and make the call. The government doesn't do it -- which is what you'd expect. It's hard and slow to make case-by-case judgment calls when you're far from the source data. Hospitals, in turn, don't spend any more time than is absolutely required making these kinds of classifications, unless someone makes them do it.

It would not surprise me at all to find that other cities/states have the same thing happening.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by smileysteve »

swader999 wrote: post #210
hitpointdrew wrote: post #142

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>Surely this is the end of the pandemic? Yes, welcome to the endemic. Covid is here to stay, it doesn't matter if 100% of the world were vaccinated tommrow, covid would not go away. It doesn't matter if you get the vaccination or not, in your life time you WILL get covid (just like the flu, no one escapes it, you typically get the flu about every decade or so regardless of shots). We need to just accept this and move…

So can we just do away with the show your passports nonsense then? Think of the tax that adds up every establishment.

Yes, your local jurisdiction can. Many of us have never had such a requirement.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by cthalupa »

iechoz6H wrote: post #385
acdha wrote: post #359

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It’s not that simple: yes, if someone gets in a car crash it’s probably not COVID but there are many cases where someone had a manageable condition that was disrupted by COVID — not 100% fault but not 0%, and a big problem for hospital capacity.

Counterpoint; My mum nearly died of Covid, six weeks in hospital, four of which were in ICU. On leaving we discovered she no longer had epilepsy.

This is the sort of extraordinary claim that requires extraordinary evidence to support it, and there are many potential confounding factors.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by time_to_smile »

brandonmenc wrote: post #539
time_to_smile wrote: post #458

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> Anecdotal stories don't paint an accurate picture You would have thought that after 800,000+ deaths in the US people would have learned the importance of understanding statistics when dealing with these issues, especially on a place like HN, but pandemic has melted people's brains and now people are arguing anecdotes about what constitutes a "bad cold" and a "mild flu". The funny part is that it doesn't really matt…

> 10 years ago if your said it was fine to double the annual cases of flu and flu death people would have said that was insane. And if you told them that things like lockdowns and vaccine mandates were still in effect at that point, they'd say that was insane too.

> vaccine mandates were still in effect at that point, they'd say that was insane too.

No, that one is particularly weird right now. Vaccines are essentially mandated for many parts of life, and have been for my entire life. At multiple points throughout my development I've had to get required vaccines to do things. I had never even heard of antivaxxers until my late 20s. They used to be laughed at as an insane fringe group on HN.

Nobody in 2011 would have thought it was weird that vaccines would be mandated. I suspect if I predicted on HN that there would be strong resistance to a vaccine in the event of a global pandemic people would have laughed at me as ridiculous.

People don't like vaccines because they don't like the reality we're in and they strangely think resisting wearing masks and resisting vaccines somehow makes it less real. Unfortunately it has made things much worse.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by gbjw »

bratwurst3000 wrote: post #152

Just giving my 2 cents. Got boosted 3 weeks ago. Now I have covid. Everything is fine, feels like the least ill i ever was from anything. But I wanted to state that omnicron is a beast. I did wear a ffp2 mask with nearly every social contact and if we didnt wear mask we would test ourself. I am sure I got it from the streets from people passing by. That said I am in the french alps and it was vacation time here. And…

Your anecdote makes me wonder if the Omicron variant is largely spreading through aerosols and eyes. See (commentary from May 2021): https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmic/article/PIIS2666-5....

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by smileysteve »

x86_64Ubuntu wrote: post #316
TylerE wrote: post #141

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I've been watching over both my parents the past week. Both Omicron cases. "Very mild" is... not accurate. It hasn't hospitalized them, but even without quarantining, they'd be incapable of living anything like a normal life. The common cold it most certainly IS NOT. (Both are double vaxxed and boosted, btw)

Keep in mind, that between the "like the flu" and "mild" designator, folks are dismissing the severity of Omicron. But we must keep in mind that "mild" is in reference to "severe" which entails death and ground glass lungs.

The pandemic has taught me how little people care about words;

"Asymptomatic" now means "just a low grade fever", or "a cough that didn't take me to the hospital"

"Allergies" now means "I can barely breathe no matter what environment and I'm tired like I'm taking Claritin, just ignore the color of my sputum or my cough."

"It's just the cold or flu" now means "I'm just sick for a week, and I should definitely socialize like normal"

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by somewhereoutth »

clairity wrote: post #568
specialp wrote: post #361

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This data from NYC has been supplanted and updated for all of NYS: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data This still shows a greater than 10x difference in outcomes. Additionally, the "unvacccinated" population includes people naturally vaccinated by virtue of having a previous case. It could very well evolve into a form that is mild enough and different enough from the vaccine spike that brings…

> "COVID killed many more because it was particularly severe." no. covid is novel, not appreciably more severe, and that's where mortality rates are coming from. it's following the dynamics of the many cold and flu viruses that came before it. we just happen to be at the beginning of the dynamics rather than at relative steady-state (e.g., 'endemic'), which is where most other viruses are at. this inability to reason…

It is? Care to source some data on these 'dynamics'?

You are engaging on wishful thinking I'm afraid - wishful thinking that is even now still killing hundreds of thousands. Perhaps there is a name for that too.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by xkbarkar »

openasocket wrote: post #355

I'd love to see a numbers breakdown estimating the impact Omicron would have on the US if we had a nearly complete (say 90%) vaccination rate. How many infections would we be seeing, how many hospitalizations, how many people in the ICU? How much would this strain our healthcare system? And how would that compare with, say, the flu?

Iceland is 92% vaccinated double and I think 60% of them triple. Half the famn population is in isoliation because of infection. Feel free to check their covid stats in covid.is ( they have an english version ). Most hospitalized are fully vaccinated ( 2 or 3 ) Most serious cases are unvaccinated, HOWEVER. Out of 34 hospitalized with c19 6 were patients in cardiology that got infected in the hospital and had to be tranferred to c19. Authorities have not wanted to comment if any of the serious c19 cases came from people who were already seriously ill, already hospitalized and not vaccinated due to that. Since the ICU numbers are so small, this significance is easily skewed. Much less hospitalizations than the models predicted.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by Izkata »

javagram wrote: post #547
Izkata wrote: post #532

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It's more like people are realizing what the original claims from Nov 2020 were instead of blindly trusting politicians. Pfizer and Moderna only checked for symptomatic covid in those trials and never made claims about infection/transmission. That was all assumptions people were making over 2021.

back in early 2021 I remember the media, especially the "MSM," warning that the vaccines weren't guaranteed to prevent transmission, and commentators arguing that the media were scaremongering and we should be secure in feeling the vaccines do prevent all infection and transmission. E.g. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/23/opinion/covid-vaccines-tr... "Many scientists are reluctant to say with certainty that the vacci…

> Looking at graph of Covid cases in the USA for example we were on track to low case levels until July

Gotta compare 2021 to the the curves from 2020 though: It's the same shape with different magnitude. Looks more like that drop in the spring and early summer was because it's seasonal than anything else, which we misattributed to the vaccines.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by xkbarkar »

xkbarkar wrote: post #578
openasocket wrote: post #355

I'd love to see a numbers breakdown estimating the impact Omicron would have on the US if we had a nearly complete (say 90%) vaccination rate. How many infections would we be seeing, how many hospitalizations, how many people in the ICU? How much would this strain our healthcare system? And how would that compare with, say, the flu?

Iceland is 92% vaccinated double and I think 60% of them triple. Half the famn population is in isoliation because of infection. Feel free to check their covid stats in covid.is ( they have an english version ). Most hospitalized are fully vaccinated ( 2 or 3 ) Most serious cases are unvaccinated, HOWEVER. Out of 34 hospitalized with c19 6 were patients in cardiology that got infected in the hospital and had to be tr…

Id like to add. C19 severity has a very clear link to obesity, Iceland is one of europes most obese peoples. If omicron is not filling the iceland c19 ward ( I think we are up to 30 patiens out of thousands of active cases ). then I think this wave will pass as more of a scare than anything else. It certainly disproves the usefulness of vaccine passports. But that particular science is of course not followed.

Sigh

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