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Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by jatone »

supperburg wrote: post #513
spurgu wrote: post #481

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> Everybody can make their own decisions, as long as hospitals are good. Wait. "Everyone can make their own decisions"? And those decisions are completely rational, not affected at all by what the media is saying? I would argue the complete opposite. Why are you trying to bend the argument into hospital capacity? Is your argument that if hospital capacity is under threat then it's ok for the media and government to l…

Yeah and nobody mentions that our hospitals were already stretched to their limit before Covid because they are for-profit corporations. They should have had capacity for a pandemic because everyone knew there would be one. It’s poor planning, not Covid. They will add capacity and then what will your argument be?

you can't add capacity to a system that requires highly trained specialists on a dime. hospital capacity is very much limited by how much it is used on a day to day basis, regardless of pandemic status.

what you suggest simply will never be an effective strategy.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by wffurr »

ptx wrote: post #501

> we have plenty of N95’s in supply. We also have KN95s for kids. Are they buying Chinese masks for the kids? Or is there an American "for kids" N95 standard that creates a name collision with the Chinese KN95 standard?

The child-size masks I have for my three year old are all KF94s from Korea.

https://bonafidemasks.com/childrens-face-masks/ lists small-size KN95s from China and an uncertified mask from an N95 manufacturer.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by paganel »

lamontcg wrote: post #478
elif wrote: post #214

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I think that may be a completely rational perspective from within the United States... however, from the perspective of countries with effective containment strategies, that sounds prematurely defeatist, and also ignores the vast good that comes from containing spread for mutagenic purposes.

> the vast good that comes from containing spread for mutagenic purposes. We're never getting a T-cell escape mutant that dramatically increases the risk of hospitalization/death in the vaccinated/recovered. There's really very little to worry about variants if your vaxxed and boosted. Experts still don't have any idea how intrinsically virulent Omicron is, and it may be every bit as intrinsically virulent as Delta w…

> wave can be explained entirely by human immunity.

It's also the fact that, to put it bluntly, many of the people who were the most susceptible to be sent into ICU or to die because of Covid have already had that happen to them. Not sure if that scenario is included in the definition of "herd immunity", to be honest, just wanted to point that (cynical) truth out.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by slibhb »

shrikant wrote: post #427
dougmwne wrote: post #293

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It’s terrible to feel terrible, but getting over the worst part of Covid in 3 days is an enormous improvement from how unvaccinated people fared in the initial waves. Even for people not hospitalized, they dealt with pneumonia and shortness of breath for weeks. I think we can celebrate the progress we are making in reducing the average severity of this disease and there are more tools coming soon with Pfizer’s new pi…

Yeah absolutely, I count ourselves reasonably lucky that we only caught the disease after vaccinations. I have absolutely non-zero desire to go through this every year, unlike my parent commenter though. Would I be of a similar opinion as parent if I had a similarly asymptomatic-to-mild case? I don't know for sure, but I would hope not, because I wouldn't want to draw conclusions or base policy from just my anecdotal…

> I have absolutely non-zero desire to go through this every year, unlike my parent commenter though.

Many people get sick every year or every other year. Their illness is like you described: 2-3 days of being "knocked out" and about a week to fully recover.

It's not that I "desire" to go through that every year or two, it's just life. I expect that's why people responded incredulously to your post: for them, getting sick occasionally is normal.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by r00fus »

spurgu wrote: post #166
causality0 wrote: post #118

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You're missing the fact you can catch it over and over. My wife is currently battling Omicron after we both had covid at the start of last year. Fully vaccinated and boosted three weeks ago, caught it anyway. With an infected population this massive mutations happen fast enough to cause a new wave before the old one burns out.

I have omicron right now (4-5 months after 2nd jab, so pretty much no effect from that) and it's just like a common cold (certainly wouldn't call it "battling omicron"). I have zero problems with getting this each year.

> (4-5 months after 2nd jab, so pretty much no effect from that) and it's just like a common cold

So you have milder symptoms because you're vaxxed.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by clairity »

specialp wrote: post #361
cmrdporcupine wrote: post #276

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" We can easily see that in many graphs, but my favorite is below from New York City, showing a clear distinction in hospitalizations among vaccinated compared to unvaccinated people " I don't see this as much here in Ontario. Among the vaccinated as of today there is a 10.10/100k hospitalization status vs 16/100k for the unvaccinated (and 11.9 for one-dose). The hospitalization rate among the vaccinated is climbing…

This data from NYC has been supplanted and updated for all of NYS: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data This still shows a greater than 10x difference in outcomes. Additionally, the "unvacccinated" population includes people naturally vaccinated by virtue of having a previous case. It could very well evolve into a form that is mild enough and different enough from the vaccine spike that brings…

> "COVID killed many more because it was particularly severe."

no. covid is novel, not appreciably more severe, and that's where mortality rates are coming from. it's following the dynamics of the many cold and flu viruses that came before it. we just happen to be at the beginning of the dynamics rather than at relative steady-state (e.g., 'endemic'), which is where most other viruses are at.

this inability to reason cogently about steady-state vs. dynamic aspects of systems is absolutely rampant across media, politics, and casual conversation, and must be a named fallacy at this point, though i don't know that name offhand.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by pier25 »

lovecg wrote: post #487
pier25 wrote: post #317

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Technically yes, but see this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29826355

This is the “not wearing a bike helmet will make car drivers around you more careful” level argument. Let’s see some hard data please.

Obviously it's way too early to have hard data on this matter.

But the WHO has been warning about this for months.

> We cannot say this clearly enough: even if you are vaccinated, continue to take precautions to prevent becoming infected yourself, and to infecting someone else who could die.

> In many countries and communities, we are concerned about a false sense of security that vaccines have ended the pandemic, and that people who are vaccinated do not need to take any other precautions.

https://www.who.int/director-general/speeches/detail/who-dir...

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by smileysteve »

steelstraw wrote: post #332
shrikant wrote: post #260

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Congratulations. Both my wife and I (double vaxxed for 5 months, not boosted yet although were just about to do so) caught Omicron-flavoured Covid in the lead-up to Christmas and it wiped us out each for 2-3 days each, with a combination of fatigue, aches, fever, and violent coughing. Certainly worse than any cold or flu we've had up until that point. I still have a pretty nasty cough and a throat inflammation. Aren'…

Congratulations. You haven't had a bad cold or flu before. It's not uncommon for the flu to knock someone out for a good week. Or for a cold to leave a lingering cough for weeks.

> It's not uncommon for the flu to knock someone out for a good week.

This is why it has a vaccine. That prevents it, prevent seriousness of symptoms, and deaths. (yet a large percent of the population doesn't get it, and so 50k us citizens die each year)

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