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Wasn't the point of Dr. Strangelove a warning against excessive worrying about a theoretical future viz a viz the mine shaft gap?
...the missile gap?
Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado
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Hmmm... mild symptoms after being vaccinated. It's almost like the vaccine worked or something. How weird.
Plenty of unvaccinated (the vast majority, in fact) also experience mild symptoms. It's almost like you've got an unfalsifiable way to always say "it worked!"
For crying out loud… Go look up the frickin statistics. The vaccines are very effective.
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#543Dr. Katelyn Jetelina, MPH PhD, has a nice substack from perspective of an epidemiologist. Two notable recent Omicron posts on that substack: The potentially scary aspects: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/state-of-affa... The potentially good news: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/there-is-good... Obviously it is still early, but imo those 2 posts give a decent lay of the land.
" We can easily see that in many graphs, but my favorite is below from New York City, showing a clear distinction in hospitalizations among vaccinated compared to unvaccinated people " I don't see this as much here in Ontario. Among the vaccinated as of today there is a 10.10/100k hospitalization status vs 16/100k for the unvaccinated (and 11.9 for one-dose). The hospitalization rate among the vaccinated is climbing…
Alberta does a nice job breaking vaxxed VS Unvaxxed down by age group:
https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm...
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? It's killed 800 000 people. The 'privileged' comment is 'I got COVID it was just like a cold, I can do this every year ... so there's no more pandemic'. Conflating their personal anecdote with the range of outcomes. For now, we're still in a pandemic. Hopefully it will get better.
Omicron didn’t kill 800 000 people. There’s also vastly more immunity (whether through vaccines or previous infections). Let’s wait and see but there’s hope it’s a different, milder disease.
(You are right of course. With the data we have now, we are quite certain that Omicron is much milder. Hopefully no lockdown is needed.)
But, personally, I would like to avoid getting Omicron, as long term effects are still unclear: does "long Omicron" exist, does it affect vaccinated, and if yes how common and severe is it. There are some recent news about long Covid: it could be micro-clots.
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#546> we have plenty of N95’s in supply. We also have KN95s for kids. Are they buying Chinese masks for the kids? Or is there an American "for kids" N95 standard that creates a name collision with the Chinese KN95 standard?
NIOSH (the agency behind the N95 standard) has not approved any type of facemask for children, so any "N95 for kids" mask would be counterfeit.
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It's amazing how we can rewrite history so fast. The number of times I see on Twitter people from different countries saying the same things, first it was "nobody ever said this vaccine will be 90% efficient against getting covid", then "nobody ever said the vaccine reduce transmission", and now it's "the vaccines have always be only to reduce ICU stays". (I am vaccinated btw)
It's more like people are realizing what the original claims from Nov 2020 were instead of blindly trusting politicians. Pfizer and Moderna only checked for symptomatic covid in those trials and never made claims about infection/transmission. That was all assumptions people were making over 2021.
back in early 2021 I remember the media, especially the "MSM," warning that the vaccines weren't guaranteed to prevent transmission, and commentators arguing that the media were scaremongering and we should be secure in feeling the vaccines do prevent all infection and transmission. E.g.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/23/opinion/covid-vaccines-tr... "Many scientists are reluctant to say with certainty that the vaccines prevent transmission of the virus from one person to another. [. . .] There should be more data within the next couple of months. Until then, precautionary measures like masking and distancing in the presence of unvaccinated people will remain important."
FWIW, it seems like those commentators who were actually right until Delta emerged. Looking at graph of Covid cases in the USA for example we were on track to low case levels until July, then the Delta variant began to break through in vaccinated individuals and the epidemic grew in size again.
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> Ontario science table dashboard has the hospitalization ratio for vaccinated to unvaccinated still at 5:1. Where are you getting that these rates have become nearly equal? If the rates are the same, and 5/6 people are vaccinated, we would expect 5/6 people admitted to the hospital to be vaccinated. In fact, 5/6 people are vaccinated in the 12-40 age cohort, with older (and more vulnerable) populations having at lea…
Corrections: My above post was written in response to the unedited version of the GP post, which stated the 5:1 ratio was vaccinated:unvaccinated (and implied it was based on total numbers). Apparently, since I posted it was edited (and corrected) to say it was 5:1 ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated (and based on per capita.) This makes far more sense and also makes my reply look insane. I take GP at their word that…
Yes, reading your post made me realize I typed it wrong -- sorry again!
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Which some would see as a partial argument against lockdowns.
Comparing death rates in Australia, which actually did pretty major lockdowns, to South Africa[1], I don't know that this is a great argument against them. South Africa definitely paid for that infection-based immunity in human lives. [1] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...
Of course heavy and complete lockdowns are effective (at delaying the spread of the virus) - if no one is in contact with anyone else there's no way for the virus to spread. A more apt comparison would be made between countries/states with slight or "normal/average" lockdown to ones without, but that's very difficult to do in practice. And then measure the financial and societal impacts (which is also difficult/impossible).
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#550Dr. Katelyn Jetelina, MPH PhD, has a nice substack from perspective of an epidemiologist. Two notable recent Omicron posts on that substack: The potentially scary aspects: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/state-of-affa... The potentially good news: https://yourlocalepidemiologist.substack.com/p/there-is-good... Obviously it is still early, but imo those 2 posts give a decent lay of the land.
" We can easily see that in many graphs, but my favorite is below from New York City, showing a clear distinction in hospitalizations among vaccinated compared to unvaccinated people " I don't see this as much here in Ontario. Among the vaccinated as of today there is a 10.10/100k hospitalization status vs 16/100k for the unvaccinated (and 11.9 for one-dose). The hospitalization rate among the vaccinated is climbing…
Yes, surprisingly few outlets show this, but it would have been crucial in showing vaccines work.