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Re: Tips to grow your North Korean Startup

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Post by trasz » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 9:03 PM UTC

lisper wrote: post #20

decafninja wrote: post #18

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I've seen this too. Their mantra is usually something along the lines of "don't believe everything you see in the corrupt Western/South Korean media". What gives? I can understand different countries have different pros and cons, different people value different things, and something an American might find unpalatable might not be considered so bad somewhere else. But North Korea seems to stand out as being one of ve…

My guess is that most of the people who profess to believe that everything in the DPRK is hunky dory are on the extreme political left. The right does not have a monopoly on crazy people.

How is North Korea left? It's an absolute monarchy, pretty much exactly the other side of the political compass.

Re: Tips to grow your North Korean Startup

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Post by beepbooptheory » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 9:07 PM UTC

germandiago wrote: post #35

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He is talking about the history of communism or socialism towards a communism system anywhere it has been applied. That system you define there just exists in your head. It is not possible. It is like pretending the existence of unicorns. The real one every time ends up in an authoritarian regime.

I mean... if you can't believe in something that hasn't yet existed, how does anything come to be at all? Or do you deny that there is any theoretical thought behind communism at all? Is it just something people suddenly found themselves doing, and it failed and that was that?

How does someone dream of things that are better? How can you have faith in anything at all? Is not the love you feel towards your friends and family kind of like the unicorn you are describing? Do you even really feel love, if its just in your "head"?

Re: Tips to grow your North Korean Startup

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Post by germandiago » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 9:08 PM UTC

MiroF wrote: post #30

germandiago wrote: post #28

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People tend to value different things. If you value hunger and corruption, go to Cuba or North Korea where you have to ask permission even to have the hair cut you want and some are illegal (NK in this case). Or you have to be treated like an animal in the customs to even make medicines or food in. I have seen this elsewhere, believe me. Those people that live from that deserve... I will not say what they deserve, bu…

> If you value hunger and corruption, go to Cuba or North Korea where you have to ask permission even to have the hair cut you want and some are illegal Cuba does not have a major hunger problem at all and has a higher life expectancy than the US. Lumping Cuba and North Korea together is silly & misguided.

> Lumping Cuba and North Korea together is silly & misguided.

They have basically the same system: more repression and strictness in North Korea. But same base: corruption, repression, intervention and treating their citizens as animals with no dignity.

Re: Tips to grow your North Korean Startup

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 9:12 PM UTC

trasz wrote: post #41

lisper wrote: post #20

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My guess is that most of the people who profess to believe that everything in the DPRK is hunky dory are on the extreme political left. The right does not have a monopoly on crazy people.

How is North Korea left? It's an absolute monarchy, pretty much exactly the other side of the political compass.

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Re: Tips to grow your North Korean Startup

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Post by thriftwy » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 9:14 PM UTC

thechao wrote: post #32

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Then the USA, where the means of production are owned by workers via pension funds, is closer to communism than USSR which basically had everything state owned.

Re: Tips to grow your North Korean Startup

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Post by aspenmayer » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 9:15 PM UTC

stickfigure wrote: post #33

aspenmayer wrote: post #21

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No implication at all, I was simply curious. I think in the West we assume that the communist experience was bad, but I have no frame of reference for this, as I wasn’t there at the time. Then comes comparing between communist regimes, which is farther removed from my experience. I wish the CIA would’ve let democratically elected communist regimes alone, like Vietnam or certain Latin American countries. It just grind…

We have modern Venezuela as a ripe example.

I’m not sure that is the same. Would you consider Venezuela a democracy?

Re: Tips to grow your North Korean Startup

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Post by germandiago » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 9:16 PM UTC

beepbooptheory wrote: post #42

germandiago wrote: post #35

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He is talking about the history of communism or socialism towards a communism system anywhere it has been applied. That system you define there just exists in your head. It is not possible. It is like pretending the existence of unicorns. The real one every time ends up in an authoritarian regime.

I mean... if you can't believe in something that hasn't yet existed, how does anything come to be at all? Or do you deny that there is any theoretical thought behind communism at all? Is it just something people suddenly found themselves doing, and it failed and that was that? How does someone dream of things that are better? How can you have faith in anything at all? Is not the love you feel towards your friends and…

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Re: Tips to grow your North Korean Startup

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Post by ekanes » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 9:18 PM UTC

beepbooptheory wrote: post #42

germandiago wrote: post #35

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He is talking about the history of communism or socialism towards a communism system anywhere it has been applied. That system you define there just exists in your head. It is not possible. It is like pretending the existence of unicorns. The real one every time ends up in an authoritarian regime.

I mean... if you can't believe in something that hasn't yet existed, how does anything come to be at all? Or do you deny that there is any theoretical thought behind communism at all? Is it just something people suddenly found themselves doing, and it failed and that was that? How does someone dream of things that are better? How can you have faith in anything at all? Is not the love you feel towards your friends and…

In theory this type of intellectual engagement is fine, but if the dream turns into a nightmare Every Single Time we try it, results in untold suffering and the deaths of millions... it loses legitimacy.

Re: Tips to grow your North Korean Startup

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Post by x3iv130f » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 9:20 PM UTC

thechao wrote: post #32

FredPret wrote: post #27

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Your definition is the correct one for what Communism strives to be. A communal ownership of things.

It's unfortunate that such a sensible idea only becomes justification for kleptocratic oligarchies which is what the other poster was going on about.

Re: Tips to grow your North Korean Startup

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Post by decafninja » Thu, Jan 06, 2022, 9:20 PM UTC

trasz wrote: post #41

lisper wrote: post #20

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My guess is that most of the people who profess to believe that everything in the DPRK is hunky dory are on the extreme political left. The right does not have a monopoly on crazy people.

How is North Korea left? It's an absolute monarchy, pretty much exactly the other side of the political compass.

They declare themselves to be a socialist utopia. If you believe what they say at face value, and also believe that anything negative said about the DPRK by the Western media, etc. to be total lies like some of these people being discussed here do, then I guess you could think North Korea is a leftist paradise.