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Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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My friends without the vaccine that got Covid are dead, and the one that did get the vaccine are alive.

That's incredibly unlucky! I know several people who got Covid pre-vaccine (including myself) and we're all still alive. Although it wasn't exactly a party and most of us (including myself) have been vaccinated since so we could be fairly certain we wouldn't get it again.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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> Nobody said immunity; nobody said prevention. What on earth? Yes they did, all along. December 2020: > Fauci Predicts U.S. Could See Signs Of Herd Immunity By Late March Or Early April https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/1... > "I would say 50% would have to get vaccinated before you start to see an impact," Fauci said. "But I would say 75 to 85% would have to get vaccinated if you want to ha…

It's amazing how we can rewrite history so fast. The number of times I see on Twitter people from different countries saying the same things, first it was "nobody ever said this vaccine will be 90% efficient against getting covid", then "nobody ever said the vaccine reduce transmission", and now it's "the vaccines have always be only to reduce ICU stays". (I am vaccinated btw)

It's more like people are realizing what the original claims from Nov 2020 were instead of blindly trusting politicians. Pfizer and Moderna only checked for symptomatic covid in those trials and never made claims about infection/transmission. That was all assumptions people were making over 2021.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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SA had very high numbers of previous infections, so there was a ton of pre-existing immunity.

Which some would see as a partial argument against lockdowns.

Comparing death rates in Australia, which actually did pretty major lockdowns, to South Africa[1], I don't know that this is a great argument against them. South Africa definitely paid for that infection-based immunity in human lives.

[1] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explor...

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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> It's probably better to have a 50% hospitalization rate and an R value of 0.8 than a 5% hospitalization rate and an R value of 2. After 3 'generations' of spreading the second situation already has more hospitalizations. Sure, but those aren’t the only choices. Over the last 30 days the daily case average has increased by 500%. During that same time the daily average hospitalized has risen 100%. And the test positi…

The testing positivity rate is relatively useless at this point. For example, in my State, there is no way to report a positive test from a rapid result. Only PCR tests administered by a medical professional are considered valid for statistical purposes, even though the government is giving out free rapid tests.

This is for good reason. Rapid tests are substantially less sensitive and often give false negatives, especially for asymptomatic cases. There are also a lot of rapid "at home" tests out there that have high false positive rates, so even if non-PCR tests were added to the data the only reasonable approach would be to still require them to be administered by a medical professional to make sure the test is correctly administered and that the test itself is relatively high quality.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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> That sounds like a fairly typical cold No, it doesn't. I've never felt "wiped out" from a typical cold.

My 15 yo son got Covid about three weeks ago, symptoms matched what the parent poster described, including feeling "wiped out". Oh wait, no he didn't. Testing all came back negative. Diagnosis from his pediatrician: common cold.

Ah, yeah, you're right. It was probably just the cold that myself, my son, and my wife got after being exposed to someone that had symptomatic, PCR tested Covid. I'm sure it was just a coincidence that we then all three tested positive for covid.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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" We can easily see that in many graphs, but my favorite is below from New York City, showing a clear distinction in hospitalizations among vaccinated compared to unvaccinated people " I don't see this as much here in Ontario. Among the vaccinated as of today there is a 10.10/100k hospitalization status vs 16/100k for the unvaccinated (and 11.9 for one-dose). The hospitalization rate among the vaccinated is climbing…

This data from NYC has been supplanted and updated for all of NYS: https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data This still shows a greater than 10x difference in outcomes. Additionally, the "unvacccinated" population includes people naturally vaccinated by virtue of having a previous case. It could very well evolve into a form that is mild enough and different enough from the vaccine spike that brings…

"Additionally, the "unvacccinated" population includes people naturally vaccinated by virtue of having a previous case."

Only if it's recent. How recent isn't clear yet. Somewhere in the > 90 days, [1] https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/why-covid-19-vaccines-offe...

[2] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8604456/

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Don't forget about long covid. My covid infection was mostly gone in 3 days; yet 7 days after that I'm in the ER for peripheral neuropathy. Several days later I am still here with perhaps permanent loss of function. There are a few other youngsters like me with covid complications on the neurology floor, most with less than 2 comorbidities. Oh yea, the ER was packed, 6h to triage.

Sorry to hear about your peripheral neuropathy. Check out some of the treatments for dysautonomia. There are some cutting edge treatments that have been developed over the past few years, they just haven't become mainstream knowledge or trickled down to the medical schools yet.

The two most effective approaches are using neuroplasticity exercises to retrain the limbic system (cheap, but time consuming - an hour a day for 6 months): https://ansrewire.com/ https://retrainingthebrain.com/

Or doing microcurrent neurofeedback (costs ~$150 a session, do one session a week for a couple months): https://microcurrentneurofeedback.com/

Essentially you have got to get the brain producing the proper amount and type of brain waves again, and then once you have that, slowly work back into exercising while trying to avoid triggers and push / crash cycles.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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The Ontario science table dashboard has the hospitalization ratio for unvaccinated to vaccinated still at 5:1. Where are you getting that these rates have become nearly equal? edit: sorry had that written backwards

> Ontario science table dashboard has the hospitalization ratio for vaccinated to unvaccinated still at 5:1. Where are you getting that these rates have become nearly equal? If the rates are the same, and 5/6 people are vaccinated, we would expect 5/6 people admitted to the hospital to be vaccinated. In fact, 5/6 people are vaccinated in the 12-40 age cohort, with older (and more vulnerable) populations having at lea…

Corrections: My above post was written in response to the unedited version of the GP post, which stated the 5:1 ratio was vaccinated:unvaccinated (and implied it was based on total numbers). Apparently, since I posted it was edited (and corrected) to say it was 5:1 ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated (and based on per capita.) This makes far more sense and also makes my reply look insane.

I take GP at their word that there were just errors in writing their post. But it does leave a weird artifact out there that I cannot fix.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Anecdotal stories don't paint an accurate picture. I live in NYC and had Covid xmas week. It was ROUGH. (I'm double jabbed.) I also know unvaxxed people (0 shots) that just had a little sniffle and bounced back in 2 days. I also know of a seemingly healthy young lady that tested positive and died 3 days later.

> Anecdotal stories don't paint an accurate picture You would have thought that after 800,000+ deaths in the US people would have learned the importance of understanding statistics when dealing with these issues, especially on a place like HN, but pandemic has melted people's brains and now people are arguing anecdotes about what constitutes a "bad cold" and a "mild flu". The funny part is that it doesn't really matt…

> 10 years ago if your said it was fine to double the annual cases of flu and flu death people would have said that was insane.

And if you told them that things like lockdowns and vaccine mandates were still in effect at that point, they'd say that was insane too.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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It’s terrible to feel terrible, but getting over the worst part of Covid in 3 days is an enormous improvement from how unvaccinated people fared in the initial waves. Even for people not hospitalized, they dealt with pneumonia and shortness of breath for weeks. I think we can celebrate the progress we are making in reducing the average severity of this disease and there are more tools coming soon with Pfizer’s new pi…

Yeah absolutely, I count ourselves reasonably lucky that we only caught the disease after vaccinations. I have absolutely non-zero desire to go through this every year, unlike my parent commenter though. Would I be of a similar opinion as parent if I had a similarly asymptomatic-to-mild case? I don't know for sure, but I would hope not, because I wouldn't want to draw conclusions or base policy from just my anecdotal…

By saying “I don’t want to experience this every year” without any caveats, there is an implication we should do something to prevent it. Especially given the broader context of the pandemic thus far. Surely you can see how many readers might feel that implication.
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