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Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by OJFord »

rich_sasha wrote: post #132
OJFord wrote: post #94

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Hm, that's [that 'bear in mind'] correct: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/about-data#daily-and... Just wanted to check that since (at at least one London hospital) they're on different wards (as in, even discounting that obviously you don't want 'broken leg with covid' on a general 'broken bones' ward with neg/query patients) so seems odd to me they'd report data like that vs. those needing treatment for it.

My understanding is, there's a fair few people at hospital with "bad Covid" who aren't in Intensive Care. For example, if you have steroids and Remdesivir given to you, you already need to be hospitalised. So there's at least three categories: people with really bad Covid, people with Covid bad enough they can't be at home, but not (at the time) awful, and people who don't suffer with Covid at all but could infect ot…

Yeah, at the one I'm familiar with it's (as far as I know and not necessarily limited to) may-need-intensive-care; intensive-care; out-of-intensive-care; and isolation (the covid+, but only there for the broken leg example).

> Ultimately, if you project a complex situation onto R^1, it can't be too accurate.

Absolutely, and it's all too easy to make 'obvious' armchair policy..! I was just a bit surprised since my assumption would be it counted the relevant wards (if it were up to me, I think that would be the first three; only not the isolation-but-there-for-something-else).

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by archagon »

rytcio wrote: post #205
kuroguro wrote: post #106

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I really hope so. The hospitalizations usually lag behind case detection AFAIK, so there might still be some damage to watch out for.

People have been talking about how hospitalization numbers are lagged since before Thanksgiving. It's been almost two months. It's time to stop hoping for doom and gloom and accept that it's over.

It is quite offensive to suggest that anyone is “hoping for doom and gloom.”

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by chana_masala »

jmspring wrote: post #239
spurgu wrote: post #166

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I have omicron right now (4-5 months after 2nd jab, so pretty much no effect from that) and it's just like a common cold (certainly wouldn't call it "battling omicron"). I have zero problems with getting this each year.

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Vaccines can drive mutations, too. I don't know if that's the case here but it's been seen with other pathogens and vaccines

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by parthdesai »

shrikant wrote: post #260
spurgu wrote: post #166

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I have omicron right now (4-5 months after 2nd jab, so pretty much no effect from that) and it's just like a common cold (certainly wouldn't call it "battling omicron"). I have zero problems with getting this each year.

Congratulations. Both my wife and I (double vaxxed for 5 months, not boosted yet although were just about to do so) caught Omicron-flavoured Covid in the lead-up to Christmas and it wiped us out each for 2-3 days each, with a combination of fatigue, aches, fever, and violent coughing. Certainly worse than any cold or flu we've had up until that point. I still have a pretty nasty cough and a throat inflammation. Aren'…

so the answer is to stay locked down and screw over small businesses and tons of workers every winter because a subset of people have harsher symptoms?

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by iechoz6H »

acdha wrote: post #359
anewguy9000 wrote: post #345

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ontario still conflates anyone hospitalized for anything testing positive for covid, with anyone hospitalized from covid; this alone could explain the discrepancy between a hospital bed and icu. lies damned lies and statistics...

It’s not that simple: yes, if someone gets in a car crash it’s probably not COVID but there are many cases where someone had a manageable condition that was disrupted by COVID — not 100% fault but not 0%, and a big problem for hospital capacity.

Counterpoint; My mum nearly died of Covid, six weeks in hospital, four of which were in ICU. On leaving we discovered she no longer had epilepsy.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by miriam_catira »

hanoz wrote: post #267
causality0 wrote: post #118

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You're missing the fact you can catch it over and over. My wife is currently battling Omicron after we both had covid at the start of last year. Fully vaccinated and boosted three weeks ago, caught it anyway. With an infected population this massive mutations happen fast enough to cause a new wave before the old one burns out.

Are the unvaccinated catching it over and over again? That seems to me a vanishingly rare occurrence, admittedly within a rapidly shrinking set of people. It would be interesting to get some figures for this, hopefully without being lynched for asking the question.

Another small sample size for you: I know one family that's not vaccinated - both children are too young either way. Both parents and older child have caught it twice, about a year apart. Youngest is still nursing, and has not caught it. Dad and son are fine, but the Mom has an "annoying lingering cough" as she put it. But both times it wasn't worse than the flu for any of them, so in their case they see it as "we got lucky" but no one has any underlying conditions that would have caused complications.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by oldstrangers »

benjaminwootton wrote: post #103

Surely this is the end of the pandemic? With an estimated 300k+ cases per day here in the UK, that is 10 million this month on top of everyone who has already had it. It’s as though nobody is ready to acknowledge the elephant in the room that Covid is nearly finished. Or am I missing something?

The actual elephant in the room is that covid is never truly going away without an actual vaccine / cure.

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by MrMan »

stormbrew wrote: post #273
jaywalk wrote: post #266

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> Severe outcomes are blatantly more common, per capita, in people who are not vaccinated. With omicron? I have not seen any data to support that.

I mean, it's pretty early to be drawing conclusions about this with omicron. Especially since it hit right as people in most of the vaccinated world were hitting 5-6mo since their second shots. That doesn't mean it's "unfalsifiable" it just means it hasn't been yet. That said, I don't think the null hypothesis is suddenly "vaccines do nothing" for some reason. It's clear enough it spreads more easily but that doesn't…

its not early, omicron is declining already in places it hit a few weeks ago

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by MrMan »

JPKab wrote: post #338
stormbrew wrote: post #273

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I mean, it's pretty early to be drawing conclusions about this with omicron. Especially since it hit right as people in most of the vaccinated world were hitting 5-6mo since their second shots. That doesn't mean it's "unfalsifiable" it just means it hasn't been yet. That said, I don't think the null hypothesis is suddenly "vaccines do nothing" for some reason. It's clear enough it spreads more easily but that doesn't…

It's only too early if, like our public health authorities, you are too bigoted and self-important to trust South African medical scientists because they aren't from a mostly white country. That's my take on why the CDC ignored their scientists, as did the media. From the very beginning, the South African medical authorities were screaming that this variant was producing far fewer hospitalizations OVERALL (despite hi…

agreed

Re: Omicron at 100% Prevalence, Colorado

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Post by [deleted] »

phonypc wrote: post #180
spurgu wrote: post #166

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I have omicron right now (4-5 months after 2nd jab, so pretty much no effect from that) and it's just like a common cold (certainly wouldn't call it "battling omicron"). I have zero problems with getting this each year.

Hmmm... mild symptoms after being vaccinated. It's almost like the vaccine worked or something. How weird.

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