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Re: The Oakland homeless problem is beyond belief

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Post by nine_k »

pydry wrote: post #7

I remember seeing favelas in Brazil next door to ultraluxury apartments 10 years ago thinking that this is probably what the future of the US was going to be like if wealth inequality steadily kept climbing. And here it is. r > g in the flesh - the other side of "the magic of compounding".

I'd say that many of the homeless are homeless because they could not live in the society. This is why they ran out of money and housing, not the other way around.

What could help them is psychological / psychiatric treatment, rehabilitation from addictions, and offering some better prospects in life than to get wasted every day. This is not a (purely) money distribution problem.

Re: The Oakland homeless problem is beyond belief

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Post by pydry »

nine_k wrote: post #11
pydry wrote: post #7

I remember seeing favelas in Brazil next door to ultraluxury apartments 10 years ago thinking that this is probably what the future of the US was going to be like if wealth inequality steadily kept climbing. And here it is. r > g in the flesh - the other side of "the magic of compounding".

I'd say that many of the homeless are homeless because they could not live in the society. This is why they ran out of money and housing, not the other way around. What could help them is psychological / psychiatric treatment, rehabilitation from addictions, and offering some better prospects in life than to get wasted every day. This is not a (purely) money distribution problem.

American investors who swing liberal try very hard to deal with the cognitive dissonance of "I'm a good person who cares about homeless people" and "I want my portfolio to really excel".

The two are not compatible, though.

This is very much reflected in American investor owned media (all media, pretty much).

This is, realistically, why Americans perceive the cause and effect of homelessness and poor mental health to be reversed.

The reality is seen in Finland where homelessness was completely solved just by adopting a "house people first" policy.

This policy is at the same time going to keep a lid on house prices, rental income and REITS in your portfolio. Hence why it's politically impossible in America and why we strangely keep hearing from Very Smart Talking Heads on TV that 200% rent increases actually have very little to do with those homeless camps.

Re: The Oakland homeless problem is beyond belief

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Post by lukewoods300 »

adamrezich wrote: post #10
cityzen wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Head down to LA where you can navigate around human poop on the walk of fame. America is a wild place.

California is a wild place, and by no means representative of the rest of the country.

Yeah it's the best part

Re: The Oakland homeless problem is beyond belief

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Post by robotnixon »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #8
pknomad wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but homelessness issue won't be solved by simply moving people into rust belt. Even if people were to be moved... how would we fix the issue that caused them to become homeless (and helpless)? Part of the reason why homelessness is so visible in places like Oakland because the governing body in cali cities tend to decriminalize homelessness. I've also known homeless in east coast…

The rust belt solved their problems with homelessness by simply giving them a bus ticket to wherever else they wanted to go https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/...

What cities with relocation programs in that article are in the rust belt?

Re: The Oakland homeless problem is beyond belief

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Post by scollet »

nine_k wrote: post #11
pydry wrote: post #7

I remember seeing favelas in Brazil next door to ultraluxury apartments 10 years ago thinking that this is probably what the future of the US was going to be like if wealth inequality steadily kept climbing. And here it is. r > g in the flesh - the other side of "the magic of compounding".

I'd say that many of the homeless are homeless because they could not live in the society. This is why they ran out of money and housing, not the other way around. What could help them is psychological / psychiatric treatment, rehabilitation from addictions, and offering some better prospects in life than to get wasted every day. This is not a (purely) money distribution problem.

> they could not live in the society

The society is broken then. When are people going to reconcile this?

Re: The Oakland homeless problem is beyond belief

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Post by fearfulofview4 »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #8
pknomad wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not necessarily disagreeing with you but homelessness issue won't be solved by simply moving people into rust belt. Even if people were to be moved... how would we fix the issue that caused them to become homeless (and helpless)? Part of the reason why homelessness is so visible in places like Oakland because the governing body in cali cities tend to decriminalize homelessness. I've also known homeless in east coast…

The rust belt solved their problems with homelessness by simply giving them a bus ticket to wherever else they wanted to go https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2017/dec/...

No post body was provided.

Re: The Oakland homeless problem is beyond belief

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Post by GenerocUsername »

scotuswroteus wrote: post #9
tabtab wrote: post #3

The burden is falling on fair-weather states as the down-and-out from cold states find their way to coastal states to avoid freezing to death. There are plenty of empty houses in the rust belt. We need to find a way to get the homeless into those.

Most Bay Area homeless are from the Bay Area originally

Can you cite that source?

In the past, these types of surveys are filled with methodology errors.

A Seattle based survey I see regurgitated often simply asked where their LAST place of residence before becoming homeless was, and it included stays in shelters as residence... So essentially anyone who had been there more than a few months was counted.

Re: The Oakland homeless problem is beyond belief

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Post by aerostable_slug »

pydry wrote: post #13
nine_k wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say that many of the homeless are homeless because they could not live in the society. This is why they ran out of money and housing, not the other way around. What could help them is psychological / psychiatric treatment, rehabilitation from addictions, and offering some better prospects in life than to get wasted every day. This is not a (purely) money distribution problem.

American investors who swing liberal try very hard to deal with the cognitive dissonance of "I'm a good person who cares about homeless people" and "I want my portfolio to really excel". The two are not compatible, though. This is very much reflected in American investor owned media (all media, pretty much). This is, realistically, why Americans perceive the cause and effect of homelessness and poor mental health to…

San Francisco's Housing First program has been an expensive failure. The only real beneficiaries were and are the owners of the SROs. My research indicates similar outcomes in some European locales, while Finland appears to be an outlier with markedly better success than, say, Scotland.

Providing no-strings-attached housing in the United States appears to do little but get rain off people's heads. That is not really solving the problem — having lived near some of these projects, the street people continue being street people (substance abuse, crime, etc.) but now they can go inside when it rains or the SF Sheriffs show up to recover fugitives. They largely do not progress after getting the keys to the SRO room. That does not strike me as a 'win'.

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