Live data from Hacker News

Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

news.ycombinator.com

1–10 of 170 posts

Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#1
I would like to create a group that promotes RSS.

Regularly on HN we see threads about the apparent demise of the feed file as a technology and how sad it is. Despite the answers to those threads showing that RSS/Atom is not dead at all, what is clear is that it is not in a great spot. Less sites support it, percent-wise a smaller amount of internet users knows what it is and how it might be of use, browsers dropped their integrations.

I have a plan on how to counteract this. It includes getting people together who feel that this technology is elemental for the open web and should be preserved. It then vaguely continues like this (not necessarily sorted by feasibility):

1. Open PRs for browsers with provided-by-us code to integrate RSS again, with UI elements that make existing feeds visible and supports subscribing via a feed reader

2. Run a site that can be used for this, that takes a "I want to subscribe to a feed"-request and presents RSS readers to do so.

3. Implement default feeds for CMS that are missing them.

4. Implement easy to use libraries for programming languages that might miss them.

5. Create a website that explains why this is important, that hosts or links to the specifications and that contains additional documentation.

It's nothing I can do on my own, but I really think that if some people come together, that we could have a real influence on this development. Even if the browser integration step fails (which might be likely) there are alternative ways forward. And I'm sure there will be many more ideas on what could be done.

If this is of interest to you, consider joining https://gitter.im/FosterRSS/community.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#2
I made https://blogdb.org/ to collect blogs from around the Internet, it gets an RSS feed of the blogs. I posted a Show HN about it yesterday that didn't get much traction.

The code is all open source, at https://github.com/symkat/BlogDB/ and I wrote an article on my own blog about initially writing the software from design to deployment: https://modfoss.com/building-blogdb.html

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#6
post #2

I made https://blogdb.org/ to collect blogs from around the Internet, it gets an RSS feed of the blogs. I posted a Show HN about it yesterday that didn't get much traction. The code is all open source, at https://github.com/symkat/BlogDB/ and I wrote an article on my own blog about initially writing the software from design to deployment: https://modfoss.com/building-blogdb.html

Ah, the discovery angle. I didn't think of that. Looks like a nice project, and it shows what RSS can help build. Fits well I think.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#7
i think a tool that creates rss from a directory's content would help.

how many github pages exist? currently, that number is apparently 2,866,300 [0]. imagine a tool that generates an rss from all the html files collected. before pushing back with git, you run a script that generates the rss. any new html files are added to the rss. and it doesn't have to be just github pages, it can be any html/blog website. i can build such a tool but am currently working on something else.

0: https://github.com/search?q=.github.io

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#8
I love and miss RSS as much as the next hacker, but it's weird to see an increasing trend of technological nostalgia starting to emerge.

To be clear, I also think the web has gone wrong and miss coherent and useful web search, exploring interesting user created content (people have mentioned the return of web rings) and curating my own news feed via RSS.

But it's strange to me that when I started everything was about what we were going to do in the future, and increasingly the conversation is about going back to the past.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#9
I added RSS to my websites, because my timeline thing (https://github.com/nicbou/timeline) uses them to retrieve posts from my websites.

However, I see the death of RSS as the symptom of a larger problem: when platforms get big enough, they restrict access to their data. RSS feeds disappear, but so do other machine-readable endpoints. If it wasn't for GDPR, there would be no way to export that data. GDPR gave us clunky one-time exports, but even those are often incomplete. Making RSS popular again won't fix that.

The industry has a strong incentive to kill RSS, since the readers can strip the valuable bits (content or data) from the business bits (analytics, monetisation). RSS users are hard to count or monetise. This might not suit every business model.

This is a battle worth fighting, but it's not one you should expect to win.

Re: Ask HN: Who wants to help promote RSS?

#10
One thing I've noticed with podcasts, is that my reader will download the full RSS every day, listing hundreds of episodes, just to see if there's a new one.

I get why they do this as a new listener will want to start off with a full list of episodes and may want to pick up a show from the start.

It would be useful if an RSS could specify a separate URL to query that will only list new episodes, returning an empty RSS (or a standardized HTTP status code) until the new episode is available.

The original RSS with the full list would still be the primary URL for the podcast, the one I get when I right-click and select "Copy RSS URL".

Post reply on HN