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Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Countries like Kazakhstan, serve russia as a buffer state from the Nato influence. If near countries start to align with the west, Russia will start to feel personally attacked.

This is such a cold war mindset that I have trouble believing that it is actually still the case. It seems overly simplistic.

That's precisely what Putin is doing now, threatening Ukraine and insisting NATO commit to not admitting Sweden, Finland and Ukraine in.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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>If Russia is so influential over Kazakhstan, why all natural resources and power plants in Kazakhstan belong to Western companies? This is false. Kazakhstan retains most oil revenues and its joint ventures with foreign companies for oil exploration and drilling include not just Western, but also for example Chinese companies. >Why Nazarbaev had replaced Cyrillic alphabet with Latin? Because he saw clearly how Putin…

This line the comment said also is not logical at all > “ What will US do if in case of civil unrest in Mexico, Russia will send troops to Mexico?” This makes no sense, no one is alleging Mexico is under Russia’s thumb so this makes no sense. Replace Mexico with Cuba circa 1970 and it would be relevant. And also yes, if Cuba in 1970, I would not be surprised if Russia sent in troops if Castro asked.

> This makes no sense, no one is alleging Mexico is under Russia’s thumb so this makes no sense.

This makes no sense, because no strong independent sovereign country (there're very few of them in the world, about 5-6) will allow foreign troops to land in the neighboring country.

If Russia would send troops under any pretext in any situation to Mexico, USA would start a World War III.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Lots of weird extremely Russian-patriot sounding comments in this thread. Russia is sending paratroopers because they don't want another Ukraine situation. They don't want Kazakhstan to break away from Russia because of a popular uprising like Ukraine did. And it's a lot easier for them to prevent it than it was for Ukraine because Ukraine doesn't border Europe so the west won't protest it as much. I expect a whole l…

> Lots of weird extremely Russian-patriot sounding comments in this thread. This kind of nonsense comments appear whenever there are people with positive comments on China or Russia. I guess my top level comment on this thread will be one of the "Russia-patriot" ones. For the record, I am an Indian living in Malaysia - I simply choose to read proper sources and be informed of geopolitical events rather than parrot US…

In their quest to be more objective and critical, a lot of people fall into a simple, reflexive anti-American stance. There's a decades old term for these folks: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

HUNGARY 56, and Czechoslovakia 67, Ukraine 2014, Kazakhstan 22, it's the same playbook.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Lots of weird extremely Russian-patriot sounding comments in this thread. Russia is sending paratroopers because they don't want another Ukraine situation. They don't want Kazakhstan to break away from Russia because of a popular uprising like Ukraine did. And it's a lot easier for them to prevent it than it was for Ukraine because Ukraine doesn't border Europe so the west won't protest it as much. I expect a whole l…

> Lots of weird extremely Russian-patriot sounding comments in this thread. This kind of nonsense comments appear whenever there are people with positive comments on China or Russia. I guess my top level comment on this thread will be one of the "Russia-patriot" ones. For the record, I am an Indian living in Malaysia - I simply choose to read proper sources and be informed of geopolitical events rather than parrot US…

Chomsky was an exemplary linguist, but his political writings are one dimensional.

Manufacturing consent correct points out malicious sounding actions by the US, but it never delves into how literally major or minor power in history has done exactly the same. He loves to shut on the US, while turning a blind eye to every other authoritarian nation and having his life's work be funded by Darpa.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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Truly bizarre to ask as the head of state for foreign military intervention in your own country to dump down civil protest. Almost like it’s just a russian puppet state

Kazakhstan is part of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) similar to Nato which comprises of ex-Soviet countries. I'm sure CSTO has an obligation to help.

More like Warsaw Pact in August 1968.

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It seems noteworthy that Kazakhstan represents ~22% of Bitcoins hashrate (~45 TWh/year of electricity), at the same time as people are out in the streets rioting over the price of heating their homes.

> rioting over the price of heating their homes. Even though the price of LPG had doubled and that supposedly caused riots, even the new doubled price is way lower than price of LPG in Europe and other parts of the world.

And their average annual household income is little over 3000 USD. And they're currently experiencing temperatures around -15 C. I can only imagine the situation in the countryside. Not difficult to see why they're upset.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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There's a really interesting video blogger called "bald and bankrupt" on YouTube who visits all sorts of weird and wonderful locations in Russia and former Soviet Union States: https://www.youtube.com/c/baldandbankrupt/featured Doesn't look like he's been to Kazakhstan yet though...

https://www.reddit.com/r/BaldAndBaldrDossier/comments/judnlm...

Yikes, and here I was thinking he was only interested in taking about the former USSR. :(

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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I took the 22% figure from an article that referenced an overview produced by the University of Cambridge, available here: https://ccaf.io/cbeci/mining_map I see now that their most recent figure has changed to 18.1%. The electrical power figure was then calculated based on the total global power consumption published in the Bitcoin Energy Consumption Index: https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption/

> ~22% of Bitcoins hashrate (~45 TWh/year of electricity) It looks like Kazakh total energy consumption is 861 Kwh [0] and total elecricity is 104 TWh. Is it realistic for 43% of a country's electricity to be going to Bitcoin? If that were true, what sort of infrastructure would be developed? Datacenters colocated with coal plants? Over less than a year, Kazakh average monthly hashrate share went from 5% to 18%, incr…

You make a valid criticism. The estimates I've used are likely upper range. But even if we're off by a factor of 1/2 (which I don't believe) I feel the point being made still stands.

It also seems the increase in hashrate coincides with China banning Bitcoin mining? That likely puts a skew on the numbers, although I'm not immediately sure which way.

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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> Lots of weird extremely Russian-patriot sounding comments in this thread. This kind of nonsense comments appear whenever there are people with positive comments on China or Russia. I guess my top level comment on this thread will be one of the "Russia-patriot" ones. For the record, I am an Indian living in Malaysia - I simply choose to read proper sources and be informed of geopolitical events rather than parrot US…

>I simply choose to read proper sources and be informed of geopolitical events rather than parrot US propaganda And yet in your other comment you linked to "Moon of Alabama", anonymous blogger which always takes a pro-Kremlin position. How is that a "proper source"?

No. Yes, he is generally what I would consider "anti-US" but Media Bias Fact Check reports no failed fact check in last 5 years. Also, before people label him as "left-wing", he was a very strong supporter of Kyle Rittenhouse from the beginning (even supposedly good sources like The Intercept lamented the acquittal). I have linked to his article on the day of the verdict below.

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2021/11/kyle-rittenhouse-is-no...

Re: Russia sends troops to Kazakhstan to put down deadly uprising

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The old "fraternal assistance" card. Much like Yanukovych gave Russia the pretext to invade Ukraine in 2014.

The Russian military have been in the Crimea since back when there were British red coats stationed in New York City. If remaining where they have been for centuries is an invasion. Can't imagine Americans ever saying the US invaded South Vietnam when it's various puppet Saigon governments asked for fraternal assistance.

Military base and whole peninsula are two different things.
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