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Re: I Miss RSS

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The main problem is that a lot of sites no longer show a link to their RSS feeds, or include a meta tag for it. So I've resorted to trying the following until the RSS reed comes up: example.com/feed example.com/feed.xml example.com/rss example.com/rss.xml example.com/xml ...etc In most cases the feed WILL be there somewhere as the feature is still in the web framework that's being used.

this feels like something that could be a handy little plugin or bookmarklet!

Re: I Miss RSS

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I don't think Google Reader killed RSS. Sure, it was nice to have a common place to discover feeds but I don't think that was enough to make or break RSS.

I think the failing of RSS is that no major browsers have RSS indicators anymore. Defaults are king and if users need to install an extension, view source and search for feeds, paste the URL into a reader and hope that there is a feed or click an RSS link and wonder what this XML is then >90% of users won't use it.

If browsers add a "subscribe to this site" button that opens your reader or redirects to your "app store" to get one then there is a decent chance of non-trivial user adoption.

Re: I Miss RSS

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When I see articles like this, my reaction is always: when did RSS go away? I have close to 200 sites in my Feedly list, and I have trouble keeping up with all the articles I get from RSS every day. I think that what the author really means is that he misses RSS feeds from Twitter. I don't use Twitter, so from my perspective, RSS is as present and useful as it was 20 years ago.

Active RSS user here till Google killed Reader. I tried using Feedly last year. Added feeds and it was HORRIBLE experience. Not Feedly but the actual feeds. Some of them give you the title and then tell you to go to actual website to read the article. Others has a virtually non-existent summary. During RSS's heydays I remember being able to just see the summary and click on it and read the article right there and the…

Simple RSS for Android is still available at F-droid. It's 14 years out of maintenance & it still loads(with warning) & works for my feeds. Some give just a summary, some the 1st paragraph and a few still supply the whole article.

I am always on the lookout for a simple, decentralized, modern alternative, if anyone knows of any.

Re: I Miss RSS

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The one time I wanted to use an RSS feed I found I had no (acceptable) way to ensure I didn't miss data. New items could be truncated off the feed after anywhere between 10 minutes and two hours, and the solution to this was supposedly to use a third party service to sit in the middle and act as a buffer. There was no way to provide a timestamp or anything like that and I presume the reason is its meant to be generat…

RSS feeds do support push notifications (WebSub) and pagination, both of which allow reliably getting all items. However WebSub requires that you have an "always online" device to receive the notification and very few feeds and readers support pagnation.

Yes, unfortunately I was in that case where pagination simply wasn't provided by the feed. Push notifications of course wouldn't have worked (if they were even supported, and I don't believe they were), since otherwise I would have just sat there polling the feed itself every 20 minutes like a maniac. It seems like this widespread limitation leads to the reliance on aggregators, and second-hand it seems google playing the disappearing act with their aggregation service was one of contributing factors to (or a symptom of?) the decline of RSS. Certainly I would have been willing to just shrug my shoulders and use it if it was still operating when I ran into my one and only case of wanting to use an RSS feed.

Re: I Miss RSS

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I just logged into my Feedly for the first time in a couple years (maybe longer). I had moved all my RSS from Google Reader to Feedly back when all that went down. Turns out, most of the blogs I subscribed to back in the day are now defunct or not updated much. I think that's why I eventually stopped going to my Feedly for RSS aggreggation, and instead for the few moments a day I want to read news/waste time, I just…

BTW, I just also realized, that I get a lot of my articles/news from my Google News widget on my Android phone (and in the Google News app on my iPad), and the AI on that has curated a pretty decent list of topics that I like to follow.

How do news apps get their content when it is aggregated from multiple sites? (I've never used google news but the ios news app shows content from multiple popular sites). Is it rss, atom, or something completely different?

Re: I Miss RSS

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Also worth mentioning the obvious, feedly etc is updating all the users on their platrom with a single call to your site (every 7 minutes in your case). No doubt they scale the update frequency by how popular it is on their platform / frequently updated / however often the ai decides it is needed.

Should also depend on whether a push extension is used, then the reader can fetch the feed less often. The feed of that blog seems to be a plain RSS feed without that.

I'm not aware of any push functionality in RSS -- something needs to poll the feed, no? Or is there an RSS extension that uses long polling or something?

Re: I Miss RSS

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Should also depend on whether a push extension is used, then the reader can fetch the feed less often. The feed of that blog seems to be a plain RSS feed without that.

I'm not aware of any push functionality in RSS -- something needs to poll the feed, no? Or is there an RSS extension that uses long polling or something?

PubSubHubbub/WebSub (the latter is effectively the slightly modernized W3C standardization of the former) is the standard solution for that. (Feed declares where to register for updates (hubs), readers register their callback URLs with hubs, publishers tell hubs when something changed, hubs run through the registered callbacks and ping them with the update. Thus needs a server-component for the reader side.)

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Active RSS user here till Google killed Reader. I tried using Feedly last year. Added feeds and it was HORRIBLE experience. Not Feedly but the actual feeds. Some of them give you the title and then tell you to go to actual website to read the article. Others has a virtually non-existent summary. During RSS's heydays I remember being able to just see the summary and click on it and read the article right there and the…

I use https://weloverss.com/ as my Google Reader alternative. TheOldReader is also nice. I prefer the first due to its ui not being bloated - only thing I miss is timestamps.

I remember the Theoldreader. I quite liked it. I can't remember why I stopped using it and switched to feedly.

Thanks for the tip on weloverss. I'll give it a try.

Re: I Miss RSS

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BTW, I just also realized, that I get a lot of my articles/news from my Google News widget on my Android phone (and in the Google News app on my iPad), and the AI on that has curated a pretty decent list of topics that I like to follow.

How do news apps get their content when it is aggregated from multiple sites? (I've never used google news but the ios news app shows content from multiple popular sites). Is it rss, atom, or something completely different?

Looks like Google has a product called Google News SEO, a way for websites to optimize their SEO so that Google's "news" crawlers can grab the content [1] [2]

"Using the Publisher Center tool, you can share your content with Google News by listing RSS feeds, website URLs, or videos."

[1] https://support.google.com/news/publisher-center/answer/9607...

[2] My original link to how it works: https://ppcexpo.com/blog/how-does-google-news-work

EDIT: found the original Google docs instead

Re: I Miss RSS

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how do you have a RSS feed of HN? what links does it include out of the thousands that are posted here daily? also, can I ask you what service are you currently using for you RSS feed? thanks.

I personally use hnrss [1], and usually just display the frontpage [2]. [1]: https://hnrss.github.io/ [2]: https://hnrss.org/frontpage

https://hnrss.github.io/ was super useful. thanks a lot. i am now using miniflux which is super clean
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