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We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by rndgermandude »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #286
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #226

Honestly you can go very far with unmettered data plans. We consume 2GB/S, maxed out, which ends up being 5184TB a month. We have millions on users a day, all on a streaming video platform. It cost less than $2K/Month. The cloud is crazy expensive. Private servers are beasts, and they are cheap. Of course, for this price, you don't have redundancy and horizontal scaling. You also don't have to maintain and debug a sy…

Not including extra human cost in the analysis is just disingenuous. I think to manage private servers of that size you would need at least two extra experts totalling at least $20k/month.

> I think to manage private servers of that size you would need at least two extra experts totalling at least $20k/month.

What? You set up the deployment once, and then you only need to touch it when things go horribly wrong, which is every couple of months, or to make minor quick tweaks and run some updates. Let's be generous, and say you need 10 h/month, which is about 1/16 of a person-month. And if things go horribly wrong, everybody drops what they are doing to fix things, anyway, no matter if you're on AWS, dedicated/colo or run your own data center.

When you significantly change your architecture/deployment, then you need to put in more time again, but if you build your code with need to scale and such things in mind from the get-go, then that won't come up much or at all.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by innocenat »

anaganisk wrote: post #240
innocenat wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then let your site fail, it's your choice. For the rest of us who would rather not let our site fail, a quick one time $20 tarp over dumpster to handle the traffic in the meantime is good.

My site never failed thats the thing without paying $20. And many developers can actually do it too. If you can’t serve decent traffic for a static site, I would rather fix the leaking tap once and for all than wasting money on a water tanker every time I am out of water.

And I am not saying you have to pay $20 every time. It's there to handle the traffic while you identify and fix the problem.

It's your choice if you don't want redundancy in place if any incidents happened.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by bezospen15 »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #286
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #226

Honestly you can go very far with unmettered data plans. We consume 2GB/S, maxed out, which ends up being 5184TB a month. We have millions on users a day, all on a streaming video platform. It cost less than $2K/Month. The cloud is crazy expensive. Private servers are beasts, and they are cheap. Of course, for this price, you don't have redundancy and horizontal scaling. You also don't have to maintain and debug a sy…

Not including extra human cost in the analysis is just disingenuous. I think to manage private servers of that size you would need at least two extra experts totalling at least $20k/month.

Are you hiring? What infrastructure engineer are you paying $10,000/month for just to manage 4 servers? LOL

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by jleahy »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #298
kasey_junk wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn’t mention a fleet size but 2GB/s is a single commodity server. You don’t even need a single employee to manage a single server…

Which "commodity server" could serve 2GB/s(16gbps) to public internet?

Pretty much anything. How about a Dell R340 with a dual-10G NIC and some SSDs? That's not commodity, that's cheap, a commodity server would be a dual-Xeon but that's overkill for serving 16gbps.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by midasuni »

nix23 wrote: post #281
midasuni wrote: post #258

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Get two servers, stick them in different cities. $4k a month and you have resilience. $6k a month and you have resilience and double your throughout. Some stuff makes sense to put on iaas, dns often does for example.

4k/mnt for 2 Servers? That's a little bit to much, 200euro for two servers at hetzner is perfectly fine ;)

I say server, presumably it’s the entire solution of however many servers, storage, network etc.

If it’s 2k/month for a non resilient solution, it’s in the order of 4k for a resilient solution (you need to relocate assets both ways but it’s in that order of magnitude)

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by svelle »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #286
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #226

Honestly you can go very far with unmettered data plans. We consume 2GB/S, maxed out, which ends up being 5184TB a month. We have millions on users a day, all on a streaming video platform. It cost less than $2K/Month. The cloud is crazy expensive. Private servers are beasts, and they are cheap. Of course, for this price, you don't have redundancy and horizontal scaling. You also don't have to maintain and debug a sy…

Not including extra human cost in the analysis is just disingenuous. I think to manage private servers of that size you would need at least two extra experts totalling at least $20k/month.

But that AWS deployment doesn't manifest out of thin air either. Kubernetes and AWS knowledgable engineers aren't any less expensive.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by mro_name »

nix23 wrote: post #299
mro_name wrote: post #285

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fair enough, however they juggle the buzzwords. If they didn't but cared about their business (they know I hope) and make hard requirements to IT, that would help. IT should then come up with solutions to those real-world problems. We're not talking just about hobbyists, do we? That's what Eric Evans talks about in DDD as I got it.

> fair enough, however they juggle the buzzwords. Oh absolutely true, you don't want to look completely clueless in front of people who take your money to setup an infrastructure ;) >and make hard requirements to IT, that would help That would make stuff so much more easy. Often it even lacks even a inventory of used applications/hardware....network. Just one example: Made a plan for new hardware and network (new cab…

> you don't want to look completely clueless

That's why I give them money, so they bare with my cluelessness on their field. Would do it myself otherwise.

Or the way round: "I hire smart people for a lot of money, why would I tell them what to do" (Steve Jobs)

> that one little DOS-machine

The donkey does the work and the horse gets the fame.

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