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We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by CrimsonRain »

helsinkiandrew wrote: post #208
alphachloride wrote: post #124

I tried looking, and I find it very irritating that in that whole web page, there is not one single link in the menu/footer/sidebar to polyhaven.com home page so I can click and discover what it actually is. Not one. This occurs on many company blogs as well operating under a subdomain like blog.whatever.com To be clear, this is a very tangential and irrelevant nitpick and I understand it does not contribute to the c…

Yes! - the same goes with support sites on different domains (support.whatever.com or whatever.zendesk.com etc) that appear in google results and don't have a link to the company.

I think this is a result of app stores enforcing links to external digital products thing. That's why all these support pages which need to be linked from app, don't have a single link to main site.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by hansel_der »

lelandfe wrote: post #174
helsontaveras18 wrote: post #125

This website is one of the fastest web pages I’ve ever used. Although it’s simple, it immediately loads pages and pages of images. Like in a flash. I’m on mobile web and it’s such a snappy experience.

If Poly Haven is reading this: you nearly have an amazing FCP on the models browser but the external normalize.css file is killing you.[0] Self-hosting would drastically improve your 75p paint time. I'd also encourage you load your fonts late via JS. Your main JS package competes right now with WOFF files from Google Fonts for priority and there's no need for that. [0] https://www.webpagetest.org/result/220106_BiDc42…

> I'd also encourage you load your fonts late via JS

can't tell if joke, so:

there are already enough sites that display content for a split second and then some script runs (or fails?) and there is either nothing on screen or an error message.

this is ridiculous - please stop!

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by ivanhoe »

twblalock wrote: post #243

When I see per month or per day stats I get suspicious. Let's say a month has 30 days -- 5 million views a months is 166,666k per day, 6944 per hour, 116 per minute, and ~1.92 per second. 1.92 qps. Of course it's not expensive, it's a tiny amount of traffic!

In ideal world where the traffic is a horizontal line, yes. In real world you probably get idle times, and peaks of 20x that traffic.

Also note that they say "page views" which can translate in many more requests per each page opened.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by anaganisk »

ivanhoe wrote: post #289
anaganisk wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No I didn’t miss the point, $20 is weeks worth of meal in majority of countries. People from those countries run successful blogs without paying a penny to cloudlfare. I serve much more than 2GB per month without all that on a dynamic site. Paying cloudlfare for that is like putting a tarp over a dumpster fire to quickly hide it. I would rather think why my static site fails like shit when it doesn’t even need server…

One variable you miss is the price of your own time. To pay USD $20 and unload a problem to some 3rd party service takes under 30min, while running a scalable, high performance web-server on low budget is hard and time consuming - even impossible for devs with no sufficient devops/admin skills, which is sadly a majority. Back in the day, as a student with no money and a time to spare I used to do it all myself too, g…

I never spent any other time other than the initial deployment. Like I said if your tap is leaking find a competent plumber or if you have the skill fix the leak, don’t pay for water tanker every time you are out of water. Im not sure why you need high performance, scalable multisharded and other big cloud tech to run a static site. Im not against using cloudlfare, there is a usecase for it. I cant stress more about why cloudflare is such an overkill for static sites. A cheap VPS can go a long way before you have to start worrying about not being able to serve traffic for a static site, its not a blocking call. We would be wasting unnecessary resources, if we don’t fix the actual problem.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by Dma54rhs »

ralgozino wrote: post #290
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not including extra human cost in the analysis is just disingenuous. I think to manage private servers of that size you would need at least two extra experts totalling at least $20k/month.

How many DevOps do you need to manage your cloud? How much do they cost?

You need high skilled people who are comfortable in AWS or other cloud offering as well. Have to care of tons of things, set them up etc. They are not one button setups in real life when things get complicated.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by GOATS- »

folli wrote: post #263
mad182 wrote: post #207

I handle ~150TB and 26M page views for ~$500 by simply renting a few dedicated servers at hetzner. And if I didn't need quite a lot of processing power (more than average website), it would be much lower. I only need so many servers for the CPU power, not traffic.

Any experience with other providers of dedicated servers, e.g. Digitalocean?

You cannot go wrong with Leaseweb or Nforce if you're looking for something in EU.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by 19h »

twblalock wrote: post #243

When I see per month or per day stats I get suspicious. Let's say a month has 30 days -- 5 million views a months is 166,666k per day, 6944 per hour, 116 per minute, and ~1.92 per second. 1.92 qps. Of course it's not expensive, it's a tiny amount of traffic!

At 80TB (~83886080 MB) and 5000000 that's 16,77 MB per request in average. And at 1.92 qps that's 32,2 MB per second.

So they're saturating 25% of a gigabit uplink every second of the month.

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

kasey_junk wrote: post #288
YetAnotherNick wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not including extra human cost in the analysis is just disingenuous. I think to manage private servers of that size you would need at least two extra experts totalling at least $20k/month.

They didn’t mention a fleet size but 2GB/s is a single commodity server. You don’t even need a single employee to manage a single server…

Which "commodity server" could serve 2GB/s(16gbps) to public internet?

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Post by nix23 »

mro_name wrote: post #285
nix23 wrote: post #279

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well most of them are Non IT businesses, so they just know what peers/family etc told them what todo (or what they do), then read some (oneside-)sponsored media and now they ~know whats best, it's Azure with WindowsServerDatacenter-edition, SQLServer-enterprise and McAffee antivirus ;) but who can be mad about it? It's just not their field of expertise or even interest.

fair enough, however they juggle the buzzwords. If they didn't but cared about their business (they know I hope) and make hard requirements to IT, that would help. IT should then come up with solutions to those real-world problems. We're not talking just about hobbyists, do we? That's what Eric Evans talks about in DDD as I got it.

> fair enough, however they juggle the buzzwords.

Oh absolutely true, you don't want to look completely clueless in front of people who take your money to setup an infrastructure ;)

>and make hard requirements to IT, that would help

That would make stuff so much more easy. Often it even lacks even a inventory of used applications/hardware....network.

Just one example:

Made a plan for new hardware and network (new cabling etc), then i walked around the workshop and there was that dusty machine running...i asked what it is...a dos-machine with...wait...TOKENRING. That machine was an integral part of the whole workshop ;) However we made a virtual FreeDOS machine and buy'd a software converter for the machine protocol, the 25yo cnc-machine needed a new card (ethernet instead of token-ring, very lucky we found that thing) so there was that one little DOS-machine no one though about who could stop the whole "modernization".

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Post by cblconfederate »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #286
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #226

Honestly you can go very far with unmettered data plans. We consume 2GB/S, maxed out, which ends up being 5184TB a month. We have millions on users a day, all on a streaming video platform. It cost less than $2K/Month. The cloud is crazy expensive. Private servers are beasts, and they are cheap. Of course, for this price, you don't have redundancy and horizontal scaling. You also don't have to maintain and debug a sy…

Not including extra human cost in the analysis is just disingenuous. I think to manage private servers of that size you would need at least two extra experts totalling at least $20k/month.

> extra human cost

Where? Costs vary hugely across the world

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