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Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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ivolimmen wrote: post #67
stuaxo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GUI will come eventually. Some Dev commandline tools and compilers are starting to work, so these kind of environments will probably come first which will provide better performance than running under virtual machines.

> Some Dev commandline tools and compilers are starting to work, so these kind of environments will probably come first which will provide better performance than running under virtual machines. Then it's not useful as the only thing interesting on macOs are the GUI applications. All the tools I used on macOs for the command line where already available on Linux.

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Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #157

stupid question because I have not touched a Mac since 1999. What kind of apps are you using on Mac that if you were forced to switch to Linux you feel that you can't live without? the appeal back then (and from I hear people say until today) was always how everything is neatly integrated. a coherent system from the hardware all the way up the stack. not sure if that is overselling it but at least that's how I unders…

I've never used a mac, but I do envy mac users for some of the productivity-focused tools like Alfred, Bear, Hazel, Keyboard Maestro, and similar.

While I do have some alternatives on my Linux system (Obsidian, Espanso, uLauncher, a bunch of scripts), they're not as integrated and somewhat of a pain to maintain properly.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by d3rezz »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #157

stupid question because I have not touched a Mac since 1999. What kind of apps are you using on Mac that if you were forced to switch to Linux you feel that you can't live without? the appeal back then (and from I hear people say until today) was always how everything is neatly integrated. a coherent system from the hardware all the way up the stack. not sure if that is overselling it but at least that's how I unders…

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Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by willyt »

SmileyKeith wrote: post #27
yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #11

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For unit tests, can you "just" build on Linux natively? I'm pretty sure Swift and Objective C are supposed to both work on Linux, although I assume library/API surface limits that.

This does generally work, but it requires a lot of manual effort to setup the environment correctly with Xcode's SDKs to satisfy the compiler / linker.

Also a mac mini is £700 which is the equivalent of ~3 days work for most trades here in Britain. I you value your time as much as a joiner and if it’s going to take you more than 3 days to get your environment setup and keep it maintained then you’re better off just buying a mac.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by sorisos »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #157

stupid question because I have not touched a Mac since 1999. What kind of apps are you using on Mac that if you were forced to switch to Linux you feel that you can't live without? the appeal back then (and from I hear people say until today) was always how everything is neatly integrated. a coherent system from the hardware all the way up the stack. not sure if that is overselling it but at least that's how I unders…

Ableton live (music application) - the only reason I still have mac. I tried to switch to Bitwig that is similar and runs on linux, but I have not had the time to develop a workflow with it.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by maccard »

willyt wrote: post #165
SmileyKeith wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does generally work, but it requires a lot of manual effort to setup the environment correctly with Xcode's SDKs to satisfy the compiler / linker.

Also a mac mini is £700 which is the equivalent of ~3 days work for most trades here in Britain. I you value your time as much as a joiner and if it’s going to take you more than 3 days to get your environment setup and keep it maintained then you’re better off just buying a mac.

I work in games for a fully remote company. a Mac mini takes ~5 hours to compile and cook (read: prep the assets) for our game. It's not reasonable to ask someone to have that mac at home, and even if it was, you have to have it somewhere where it's available, has high speed internet, and that person is responsible for the hardware - making sure it stays on when it's needed etc. That person also needs to deal with any hardware failures/ warranty replacements. Instead, we could lease a mac from AWS for £20 for a day, run a build and use that.

That doesn't mean that this is a scalable solution for running our business on, but for the occasional one off mac build to make sure it's not fallen behind, it works just fine for us.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by innocentoldguy »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #157

stupid question because I have not touched a Mac since 1999. What kind of apps are you using on Mac that if you were forced to switch to Linux you feel that you can't live without? the appeal back then (and from I hear people say until today) was always how everything is neatly integrated. a coherent system from the hardware all the way up the stack. not sure if that is overselling it but at least that's how I unders…

The apps that keep me using Apple products are Scrivener, Logic, Studio One, Final Cut, Photoshop, and Illustrator. There are a few others too.

I also like the integration between my phone and my computer. For example, taking a picture on my phone and having it show up in Photos automatically, the ability to copy and paste between my phone and computer, the ability to make phone calls on my computer, the ability to share browser windows between my phone and computer, and the ability to use my iPad as a second monitor.

I've been using Linux since Slackware's first release, and still use it today, but it isn't my main desktop for these reasons.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Post by microtonal »

marcodiego wrote: post #17

Considering POSIX/UNIX heritage of both Max and Linux, disregarding user space libs, I'd estimate this to be a much smaller effort than Wine. So, besides GNUStep, Is there any project to reimplement open-source portable MacOS user space libs?

There is a common heritage. On the other hand, the low-level libraries also depend a lot on Mach features like message passing.
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