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We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Ever since MacOS broke Gimp I use Photopea regularly! Fantastic site!

Please tell more about this ‘MacOS broke Gimp’ thing, because it's the first time I hear of that and I'd like to dodge a firsthand experience.

I used it successfully on my Mac last week. It's still GIMP (bleh!) but it works.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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It is annoying that the answer is basically "we paid someone [Cloudflare] to do it." In light of that I decided to run some of my own numbers and figure it out. They are pushing about 245 Mbps out of Cloudflare (averaged over the month). Wholesale IP transit prices are anywhere from 10 cents to a dollar per Mbps depending on volume. Cloudflare dumps 40% of their traffic over peering, putting their price at $14.70/mo.…

> Wholesale IP transit prices are anywhere from 10 cents to a dollar per Mbps depending on volume. 10 cents is far from the lower end for high quality IP transit. Cloudflare doesn't pay anywhere near $14.70/mo for 80 TB/mo. Even I spend much less than that on 80 TB in a month. On top of that, peering makes it even cheaper for Cloudflare, as you said. Cloudflare is very likely using peering for much more than 40 % of…

Cloudflare might not pay that on a per TB basis, but where are you getting 10 gige transit for under $1k??

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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post #12

It is annoying that the answer is basically "we paid someone [Cloudflare] to do it." In light of that I decided to run some of my own numbers and figure it out. They are pushing about 245 Mbps out of Cloudflare (averaged over the month). Wholesale IP transit prices are anywhere from 10 cents to a dollar per Mbps depending on volume. Cloudflare dumps 40% of their traffic over peering, putting their price at $14.70/mo.…

> A capable dedicated server with 2 TB of disk and 1 Gbps unlimited bandwidth will run about $30 in a major European metro, maybe double that for the US. Not even close to comparable. I think you're ignoring all of the functions they're paying for. They're not just hosting a few files. Also, your "worst case" is literally the most optimistic best case for a standalone single server, which completely disregards any re…

While you are right CF provides a lot more, it really must be noted that Hetzner SB servers start at 28 EUR and they _do_ come with unlimited bandwidth and 2 x 3TB disks. For 30 EUR you can get a E3-1245 with 2x4TB disk. Just noting.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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I was running www.Photopea.com with 10M page views a month for $40 a year. Now, I upgraded to $60 a month. I never used any CDN.

> I was running www.Photopea.com with 10M page views a month for $40 a year.

> Now, I upgraded to $60 a month. I never used any CDN.

Why not go back to the $40/month plan and spend $20/month on Cloudflare Pro?

I was able to load photopea.com in about 5000ms, uncached. That's not terrible, but it was slow enough that I wondered for a few seconds if the site was broken. A CDN would cut that load time massively, and it wouldn't even be a net cost increase because you could downsize your server.

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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Almost $20,000. 19,200,000 minutes at $1 per 1,000 minutes. https://support.cloudflare.com/hc/en-us/articles/36001645087...

There's probably some bulk deals if you get in touch with their sales team?

Yes, you could. The last time someone I know spoke to them, the standard enterprise plans started at $5000/mo and got you some very nice freebies. Cloudflare's also announced managed WebRTC APIs (in closed beta) which look promising for creating meeting rooms ala Zoom.us. I imagine, these are already available to tech-shops on enterprise plans.

Though, mux.com is decent too, from what I've heard; for certain workloads, LiveStream and Vimeo might be cheaper.

There's Peer5, PeerTube, and BitTorrent in the P2P space (among many such solutions).

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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There's probably some bulk deals if you get in touch with their sales team?

Yes, you could. The last time someone I know spoke to them, the standard enterprise plans started at $5000/mo and got you some very nice freebies. Cloudflare's also announced managed WebRTC APIs (in closed beta) which look promising for creating meeting rooms ala Zoom.us. I imagine, these are already available to tech-shops on enterprise plans. Though, mux.com is decent too, from what I've heard; for certain workload…

> mux.com

First time hearing of them (due to my own ignorance probably). Any details on them?

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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I was running www.Photopea.com with 10M page views a month for $40 a year. Now, I upgraded to $60 a month. I never used any CDN.

> I was running www.Photopea.com with 10M page views a month for $40 a year. > Now, I upgraded to $60 a month. I never used any CDN. Why not go back to the $40/month plan and spend $20/month on Cloudflare Pro? I was able to load photopea.com in about 5000ms, uncached. That's not terrible, but it was slow enough that I wondered for a few seconds if the site was broken. A CDN would cut that load time massively, and it…

Honest question: Why is everyone pushing CentralizedFlare pro so hard in this thread?

Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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I must be missing something, are you able to elaborate on how CentralizedPro Flare for $20 solves the OPs problems? I've accessed plenty of sites physically located in the USA from various EU countries, not to mention AUS and I didn't notice much difference as long as they had a good interconnect. Maybe not the best for YouTube, but there's only a few of those. Don't get me wrong, I see the appeal and fell for CF ear…

Are you referring to the linked article? It literally explains what Cloudflare does for them. Everything might make more sense if you visit their website: https://polyhaven.com/ It's not just a dumb, static file server. EDIT: The questions below are literally explained in the article, so I'm going to give up on this thread.

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Re: We handle 80TB and 5M page views a month for under $400

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> I was running www.Photopea.com with 10M page views a month for $40 a year. > Now, I upgraded to $60 a month. I never used any CDN. Why not go back to the $40/month plan and spend $20/month on Cloudflare Pro? I was able to load photopea.com in about 5000ms, uncached. That's not terrible, but it was slow enough that I wondered for a few seconds if the site was broken. A CDN would cut that load time massively, and it…

Honest question: Why is everyone pushing CentralizedFlare pro so hard in this thread?

Cause it solves real issues for dirt cheap....

I mean really cold cache from the above user is at 5000ms that's pretty horrible. When I tried I got 2800ms. Take a look around it seems to be mostly from fetching static content which is a classic problem CDNs solve.

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