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Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Looks like an incredible project, but if GUI is not working, what is the current use case for it? Command line apps are usually open source and can be compiled in either system. What are people using this for in day to day work?

GUI will come eventually.

Some Dev commandline tools and compilers are starting to work, so these kind of environments will probably come first which will provide better performance than running under virtual machines.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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> These are the same people who say they don't want to run Linux because they don't want to compile their sound card drivers. They are already way outside of rational territory and deep into religious territory. It's rational for me to want my sound card to work without having to compile code. No other operating system would make me compile code to fulfill such a rudimentary and basic expectation. That's not religion…

You missed the point. You typically don't have to compile anything for your sound card, assuming you even have one anyone considering that motherboards have had integrated sound forever now.

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Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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Been playing a lot of steam games with proton, it is mind bogling how valve expanded from support for linux for the source engine to support 70% of the games.

70% of games big asterisk The giant youtube channel Linus Tech Tips has done a recent series of videos on gaming on linux. On Jan 1 they published a 15 min summary video that covers that 70% claim in a much more nuanced way: https://youtu.be/Rlg4K16ujFw Punchline: it's kinda true, but there's plenty of struggle for new and multiplayer games still.

I am sure it heavily depends on the kind games we play but I've had a 100% success rate over the past couple of years. I have to keep reminding myself to check protondb just in case. There are even a few games with native ports that I run through proton to avoid bugs in the native versions.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

#54
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Has anyone been able to use darling for iOS CI jobs yet? Admittedly I haven't researched this in a while, but one of the biggest hurdles in large scale iOS development is sane DevOps infrastructure. I know due to Apple's TOS that you will never be able to build, sign, and distribute your app on non-Apple hardware. But i'd love to use darling to run unit tests/CI jobs on commodity cloud infrastructure. Even if you do…

This is for Unity specifically, but people are building IOS apps on Windows. https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/tools/utilities/ios-pr... I doubt any employer would let you do this though. And I have my Mac Mini for recording music and building IOS apps. But it is neat to see it's possible

There are plenty of much smaller companies and some of them would do definitely do it.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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> Having Linux run iOS, macOS, Android, and Windows applications running would be nothing less than mind-boggling, and would finally get people to stop yelling that nothing runs on Linux Nothing will stop those people from yelling that, because it hasn't been true in a very long time and that doesn't stop them. These are the same people who say they don't want to run Linux because they don't want to compile their sou…

> These are the same people who say they don't want to run Linux because they don't want to compile their sound card drivers. They are already way outside of rational territory and deep into religious territory. It's rational for me to want my sound card to work without having to compile code. No other operating system would make me compile code to fulfill such a rudimentary and basic expectation. That's not religion…

Ive only got ten years under my belt, but I don't think I have ever had to compile a driver! perhaps a few times in Arch, although it would be an AUR thing and hardly and intensive manual process. But certainly not in debian-based stuff. I dont even understand what it would be like to have the bad experiences people do with it.

I can only assume its hardware disparity. I never have much money so I always get older cheaper hardware I can afford, where support has most likely had time to mature. Perhaps people with these negative impressions of Linux are trying to install distros on newer, bleeding edge stuff?

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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You missed the point. You typically don't have to compile anything for your sound card, assuming you even have one anyone considering that motherboards have had integrated sound forever now.

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Windows doesn't work for everybody either, and I do mean actual problems with Windows not working, even pre-installed from the factory.

I don't even have to look outside the circle of people I know in person to have seen this. Googling for Windows not working with $X specific laptop instantly reveals quite a treasure trove beyond the people I know, where $X can be pretty much any Windows laptop. Everything from fingerprint readers no longer working to even simple things like the function key hotkeys no longer working.

Issues with sound drivers not working are far from unheard of on Windows laptops.

You definitely seem to have missed their point, and, in my opinion, you're being unnecessarily antagonistic.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

#59
post #14

Lots of questions around GUI apps. As someone pointed out, GUI apps have been "almost" working for years. Darling looks great but it hasn't gotten near as much love as Wine has gotten. I've been keeping an eye on it, and will continue to keep an eye it, and I've noticed the development is very slow. At the rate it's going, it'll be years before it'll be a viable solution like Wine is. I hope visibility for it will in…

> Having Linux run iOS, macOS, Android, and Windows applications running would be nothing less than mind-boggling, and would finally get people to stop yelling that nothing runs on Linux Nothing will stop those people from yelling that, because it hasn't been true in a very long time and that doesn't stop them. These are the same people who say they don't want to run Linux because they don't want to compile their sou…

> because they don't want to compile their sound card drivers

I literally had to do this to get my sound card working on a new laptop recently. I know it is partially my fault for choosing such a new laptop and expecting Linux to work on it, but still... it's not an unreasonable expectation to have in 2022.

Re: Darling – Run Mac apps on Linux

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You missed the point. You typically don't have to compile anything for your sound card, assuming you even have one anyone considering that motherboards have had integrated sound forever now.

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On most machines I tried, linux had every conceivable driver ready out of the box without any configuration.

This is absolutely not something one can say about windows (though at least nowadays it will try to fetch drivers from God knows where and often succeed). And Mac supports like 2 hardware devices all together, both of them manufactured by them — comparing an OS that exclusively run on specific hardware is just stupid and not made in good faith.

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