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Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by WolfOliver »

wokwokwok wrote: post #44
krapp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"cross-platform compatibility" isn't guaranteed on the web either, yet somehow "cross-platform compatible" websites exist. It isn't a problem that's so difficult it requires wrapping a 60Mb runtime around every individual app instance.

I mean… fair, but is the 60MB runtime the issue? I really don’t care if my hello world UI is 60MB to download , I care that it consumes 1 GB of my precious ram to run. How is running js with a rust backend any better than running js with a C++ backend? I guess your “backend” is rust here, which is nice (because I Ie. really, do you get meaningful benefits from using this over say, literally just using https://github.…

To download the zipped version of https://www.monsterwriter.app/ it needs 100MB. If I build an universal file (Intel and M1) it doubles in size.

I assume this to be a conversion killer. If you have to wait 10 min do download you loose interest in trying it out.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by vp8989 »

sbarre wrote: post #109
jokoon wrote: post #94

I have a hard time understanding why platforms like electron are so popular. The predictions from Gary Bernhardt seem to really be true, in the future everything will be javascript. I wonder if somebody actually tried to make an OS that only has a browser, that's what Chrome OS actually is, after all.

Aside from the improvements to project timelines, Electron and similar products are popular because they improve the developer experience, and in 2022 the developer experience is what matters the most to many software companies (yes, in many cases ahead of the customer experience). DX directly drives engagement and retention, and good developers are hard to find (and keep!). And like it or not, there are more and mor…

It's not just the developer experience, in fact that is probably lower on the priority than you would think. The entire business IME struggles to reason about a product, in the details, that is logically 1 product but physically N products by virtue of all the different target platforms and codebases required.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by tekknik »

schwartzworld wrote: post #40
krapp wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"cross-platform compatibility" isn't guaranteed on the web either, yet somehow "cross-platform compatible" websites exist. It isn't a problem that's so difficult it requires wrapping a 60Mb runtime around every individual app instance.

Most cross compatibility issues have been resolved in browsers. Firefox and Chrome are pretty much at parity, Edge is chrome and Safari is the exception. Web views are less standardized though and require more finesse.

In my experience it’s Chrome that does weird things. I write for Safari and it works great in FF. Chrome and Edge will require some tweaking of CSS to make it look correct.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by bredren »

niyaven wrote: post #84
YPPH wrote: post #77

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Does the Chrome engine, embedded within Electron, contain any Chrome features which one could legitimately call into question (such as sync)? If not, what's wrong with it "spread[ing]" everywhere? It's hardly lazy dev work. It's a pragmatic approach to developing cross platform apps quickly. Apps that, it might be added, don't have a horrendous UI, which is common with other frameworks.

> If not, what's wrong with it "spread[ing]" everywhere? Because then it's a monopoly. I'm taking shortcuts but having a single browser engine controlled by a single company means that you rely on that company to define what is tomorrow's web like.

Without this kind of thing happening at times, we might still be using Flash.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by thomascgalvin »

rk06 wrote: post #154
jokoon wrote: post #94

I have a hard time understanding why platforms like electron are so popular. The predictions from Gary Bernhardt seem to really be true, in the future everything will be javascript. I wonder if somebody actually tried to make an OS that only has a browser, that's what Chrome OS actually is, after all.

would you rather have three teams developing one app on three platforms (windows, mac, linux) or one team developing one app for all platforms? It makes perfect business sense to use electron. It opens paths which otherwise would be very costly and hence infeasible.

> would you rather have three teams developing one app on three platforms (windows, mac, linux) or one team developing one app for all platforms?

I would rather have one team developing a cross-platform application in a language that isn't Javascript.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by dylan604 »

SavantIdiot wrote: post #214
Simplicitas wrote: post #195

Rust and Electron haters can do all the hating within this one post here.

Drake turning away: ElectronJS 0.06GB app Drake approving: Any modern game requiring 100GB of content

The meme is bad, but seeing it as text is even worse.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by alcover »

mysterydip wrote: post #104
fabiospampinato wrote: post #90

One very important thing I'd like to highlight: using one shared browser instance rather than N is not gonna make your apps that consume 1GB+ of memory suddenly consume much less than that, the problem for those apps is the code they run, it's not the language, it's not the platform, it's the badly written code, and Tauri doesn't change that.

Back in the day people coded lightweight because it wouldn't run otherwise, and speed mattered in single core sub-GHz CPUs. We don't have that same constraint today, how do we get people to write more efficient code?

I think eventually energy price may sort this out.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by bocytron »

kybernetyk wrote: post #211
maxbond wrote: post #199

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Let's put this meme to bed. Tauri has been developed for two years now. People don't just write Rust because it's trendy. If you want to throw stones at Rust, there are many more substantial criticisms to make. Our compilation times are long. Those sweet, ergonomic macro interfaces are only possible because of proc-macro dark magic that tends to be very verbose and special case-y. There's no spec. Unsafe is overused.…

>People don't just write Rust because it's trendy. [Citation needed]. Because when your unique selling point is "it's like $otherproduct but written in $language" then well ...

Here's your citation: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2020#most-loved-dr...

Rust is #1 loved language, almost 20 points above the second one.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by IceWreck »

makapuf wrote: post #56
IceWreck wrote: post #38

If someone is looking for the Go alternative, there is Wails. https://wails.io/

Nice (linux is coming soon though)

Wails works on Linux, has been for years but they decided to delay the Linux version for the latest release for some reason.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by fabiospampinato »

kjleitz wrote: post #212
fabiospampinato wrote: post #85

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I don't know about that, one data point: an ES2018 feature, regex lookarounds, is still not implemented in Safari. And the JS engine is the thing that's the most compatible across browsers, nowhere near the level of incompatibility of the rendering engine for example.

Safari not supporting lookbehinds is a bigger PitA than I ever imagined it would be.

Right? And that's not the kind of feature that you can just polyfill back in. I don't understand how it's possible that that's not implemented yet.
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