While Apple does have a war chest they don’t seem to have the culture for it. Back when I was in the industry they imported a bunch of eBay rejects. Although if Google keeps getting worse then maybe eventually.
Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
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Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
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> If Apple couldn't make money by funneling user to Google, they might prefer to just suppress ads. Apple did implement content blockers to block ads. I do not see ads when I use Safari in iOS or macOS.
Google is not concerned much with the ability to block ads, but whether it is default. The vast majority of users do not install content blockers.
I'd imagine at some point depriving sites of revenue will lead to adversarial outcomes where many if not all will simply refuse to load. So if ad blockers become mainstream it will be interesting change to the web.
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80%? I think it's over 99%. Very few people would install a custom browser on mobile, most go with the default.
I highly doubt that, since it would imply 99% of users are using Samsung Internet on Samsung devices rather than Chrome, which doesn't seem to be true. If iOS users are largely using Safari, it's because Safari is actually a good enough browser that it isn't worth switching.
Eh... I would argue only power-users would switch to chrome on Samsung too.
No way in hell the free Samsung phone deals that carriers have all the time are given to more tech savy people than non-tech savy people.
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#254Here's the complaint: https://www.docketalarm.com/cases/California_Northern_Distri... The putative class they're suing to represent is apparently "All consumers and businesses who paid Google to place advertising on Google search in the United States since January 1, 2005." I think the basic argument is "Apple might have created a competing search engine business, but Google paid them not to, which hurt people buying…
> I think the basic argument is "Apple might have created a competing search engine business, but Google paid them not to That's the feeling I got. I mean if this was the case, then Apple could be sued by Google for extortion - "pay us or we'll build a competitor". This lawsuit makes no sense.
Thats not extortion, because threat to compete is not a threat. Its a proposal for collusion
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#255I cannot get over how much moaning and whinging people on HN do about supposedly not being able to choose their search-engine on iOS "without jail-breaking" their device when simply switching to another browser like iCab Mobile means they can choose absolutely any search engine they want in addition to the 25 that are included by default . For goodness sake do the minimum amount of research before squealing helplessl…
Defaults clearly matter as evidenced by the multi-billion dollar payments that Google makes to Apple in order to keep it the default.
Right? Haha they wouldn't be paying for it if they weren't making a profit on that decision! IDIOCY
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#256Slighlty off topic but has anyone else noticed the following trend on HN recently?
Post == Article Critical of Google
Top Comment === Plays down the severity of said criticism
The upvotes don't seem to have much correlation between the post title and the comments. I wonder is such behavior caused by certain UI features on this site/app, or are comments graded differently?
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#257Slighlty off topic but has anyone else noticed the following trend on HN recently? Post == Article Critical of Google Top Comment === Plays down the severity of said criticism The upvotes don't seem to have much correlation between the post title and the comments. I wonder is such behavior caused by certain UI features on this site/app, or are comments graded differently?
interesting articles can still be wrong. people will upvote stuff that may be interesting even if parts are wrong
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
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iMessage: WhatsApp, Signal, SMS etc. No One uses iMessage outside of the US, alternatives are very good and available on all platforms. You don't lose access to your social circle by switching away from iMessage. Apple Watch: Just another device that has numerous alternatives. Many excel in some way, not crappy alternatives. iCould: There are numerous alternatives, free and paid and work very well. So, if you like to…
Same things can be said about your email address at Google. I moved to an alternative within a year, manually, by changing all services one after another. It was hard but worth it.
True - I did the same thing.
But the you claim that people can’s move away from Apple is false. Why do you keep advancing it?
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
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Perhaps your understanding of antitrust law is flawed.
I hope it is, because the alternative is that they're being allowed to get away with something that's against the law, bad for the free market, and anti-consumer.
Really? One of the few things keeping the creeping Google Chrome monopoly in check is bad for the consumer and bad for the market?
I, for one, am happy that Google isn't able to unilaterally dictate the next generation of web standards.
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#260Why is the plaintiff, California Crane School, suing Apple and Google? As far as I see, the plaintiff is not in the tech business, as they're a school that teaches how to operate cranes[1] [1] https://www.californiacraneschool.com/
They're pivoting, so to speak.
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