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Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by [deleted] »

nkrisc wrote: post #136
rattlesnakedave wrote: post #126

This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. Not only are the instructions on their website incorrect for building & installation on M1 Macs, you cannot run the app without it crashing on M1. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2421 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2934 These things are not a big deal! Bugs happen. I would be more than happy to contribute and try to help fix these thi…

The project is horrible because one of the devs said something that wasn’t nice? Are you saying the project is horrible on its technical merits, or you just don’t like the developer’s response to someone?

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Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by wokwokwok »

rebolek wrote: post #65
wokwokwok wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean… fair, but is the 60MB runtime the issue? I really don’t care if my hello world UI is 60MB to download , I care that it consumes 1 GB of my precious ram to run. How is running js with a rust backend any better than running js with a C++ backend? I guess your “backend” is rust here, which is nice (because I Ie. really, do you get meaningful benefits from using this over say, literally just using https://github.…

> I really don’t care if my hello world UI is 60MB to download lot of people cares, they may have a slow connection, must pay per MB and so on. There is no reason why hello world UI should be 60MB.

Yes, but this is my point.

https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/discussions/3162

> FabianLars, 3 hours ago, Collaborator

> ...for example my somewhat simple app uses ~120MB

> But only ~5MB is the actual tauri/rust process, the rest is WebView2.

So, if 60MB is a large download, surely a simple app using 120MB of ram is pretty outrageous too?

> There is no reason why hello world UI should be 60MB.

Absolutely, but you can't have everything. Fast. Small. Doesn't use any memory. Easy to develop for. Free. Consistent cross platform behaviour.

You can't have them all.

So... the question isn't "is 60MB ok?"

The question is: What do you care about the most? Is it really the download size?

It's not the download size for me.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

#143

Post by tomrod »

rattlesnakedave wrote: post #126

This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. Not only are the instructions on their website incorrect for building & installation on M1 Macs, you cannot run the app without it crashing on M1. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2421 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2934 These things are not a big deal! Bugs happen. I would be more than happy to contribute and try to help fix these thi…

Sounds like a frustrated open source maintainer who has had to handhold users and perhaps isn't terribly good at it.

Does that speak to technical competence of the project? Not sure. This seems pretty mild compared to Linus Torvalds' infamous excoriations.

That said, I would hope the maintainers and devs would spend time reviewing issues to become familiar with the feedback, at a minimum.

I for one want a faster Electron, and Rust sounds like a great way to get there.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by megaman821 »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #28
simion314 wrote: post #18

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>(no JS, or at least optional) IMO reply At this point why not focus on some actual GUI toolokit, like write a Qt clone in Rust, for real world apps we don't need all the CSS and HTML crap, you need simple layout, GUI components and an option WebView you can embed in the app if needed. Probably there is no commercial interest to pay professional developers with real experience to implement this.

HTML and CSS, while not perfect, are still the best tools I've found to create a pleasant UI. Other libraries like Qt do work , but it's more difficult to get things looking exactly how you want them to look.

HTML and CSS are probably the best tools for styling, layout and accessibility. Compared to other UI platforms though, their built-in controls are missing, limited, and inconsistent between browsers. See https://open-ui.org/ for an example of what controls could be improved and added.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by rattlesnakedave »

nkrisc wrote: post #136
rattlesnakedave wrote: post #126

This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. Not only are the instructions on their website incorrect for building & installation on M1 Macs, you cannot run the app without it crashing on M1. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2421 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2934 These things are not a big deal! Bugs happen. I would be more than happy to contribute and try to help fix these thi…

The project is horrible because one of the devs said something that wasn’t nice? Are you saying the project is horrible on its technical merits, or you just don’t like the developer’s response to someone?

Yeah, you’re right. I just edited before I saw this. Likely not horrible, just doesn’t work, and not friendly to new users.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by tomrod »

throwaddzuzxd wrote: post #140
burlesona wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a reason why discord is not good as a "project discussion hub." Make most of your knowledge sharing ephemeral and it means you have to repeat yourself over and over.

You can still create a FAQ. Discord is a great way to know what are the frequently asked questions.

IRC has loads less overhead with equivalent ephemerality! :)

I'll not bemoan folks choice of comms channels, just would be nice to have a consistent place to do it. Between Gitter, slack, IRC, Discord, and others, fragmentation of chat clients is annoying. Pidgin solved this all a long time ago but then XMPP got dumped.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by skinkestek »

fabiospampinato wrote: post #138
skinkestek wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chrome - like IE before it - has a number of "features" that only work/ed in Chrome/IE. Writing for a standards compliant browser like Firefox makes your code more well defined today just as it did back then because you won't get away with the same sloppyness. (This also makes you catch and fix problems in early iterations over the problem instead of after QA calls to complain so it saves you time and context switchi…

Testing on ~~Chrome~~ Firefox would save you from accidentally using Chrome-only features, but that's only part of the problem, caniuse.com kinda works better for that as you get data about other browsers too.

>Testing on Chrome would save you from accidentally using Chrome-only features, but that's only part of the problem,

How?

> caniuse.com kinda works better for that as you get data about other browsers too.

caniuse.com is nice but unlike using a standards compliant browser it requires you to be mentally alert and aware of it.

Using a standards compliant browser means you'll see the result of sloppy css immediately on the screen.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by egeozcan »

roflc0ptic wrote: post #127
rattlesnakedave wrote: post #126

This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. Not only are the instructions on their website incorrect for building & installation on M1 Macs, you cannot run the app without it crashing on M1. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2421 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2934 These things are not a big deal! Bugs happen. I would be more than happy to contribute and try to help fix these thi…

“Sorry if I was rude but it was intentional… if you fcking people would read…” I don’t know if this is a reason to embargo a project in its entire (is this person in charge? What do the other devs think of this behavior?), but jeez, that is unpleasant.

For starters, I'd never introduce a project with such people exposed to the community in my company. We always get paid support when available but humans sometimes don't read and they do ask stupid questions, and such answers can get some people responsible with the choice in big trouble, or at the very least, it forces us to drop it for an alternative.

I'd expect them to have some sort of code of conduct and remain compliant to it.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

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Post by vidarh »

mysterydip wrote: post #104
fabiospampinato wrote: post #90

One very important thing I'd like to highlight: using one shared browser instance rather than N is not gonna make your apps that consume 1GB+ of memory suddenly consume much less than that, the problem for those apps is the code they run, it's not the language, it's not the platform, it's the badly written code, and Tauri doesn't change that.

Back in the day people coded lightweight because it wouldn't run otherwise, and speed mattered in single core sub-GHz CPUs. We don't have that same constraint today, how do we get people to write more efficient code?

You look for places where a potential customer base is unhappy about the slowness, and see if provides an opportunity to compete.

There's little else until/unless people see enough well performing applications that they start complaining or move away from the slow ones.

Re: Tauri – Electron alternative written in Rust

#150

Post by rattlesnakedave »

tomrod wrote: post #143
rattlesnakedave wrote: post #126

This is a really horrible project and should be avoided IMO. Not only are the instructions on their website incorrect for building & installation on M1 Macs, you cannot run the app without it crashing on M1. https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2421 https://github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2934 These things are not a big deal! Bugs happen. I would be more than happy to contribute and try to help fix these thi…

Sounds like a frustrated open source maintainer who has had to handhold users and perhaps isn't terribly good at it. Does that speak to technical competence of the project? Not sure. This seems pretty mild compared to Linus Torvalds' infamous excoriations. That said, I would hope the maintainers and devs would spend time reviewing issues to become familiar with the feedback, at a minimum. I for one want a faster Elec…

Re: Linus, at least the linux kernel works.

More seriously, you’re correct. See the new edit. Likely a good project, just doesn’t work well on M1 AFAIK, and doesn’t seem super friendly.

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