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Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by drcongo »

MBCook wrote: post #5
spurgu wrote: post #3

I believe it when I see it. At least watt for watt I have some serious doubts.

That was always the biggest issue. It’s not hard to outperform an M1 Max. Just use a ton of cores and high frequencies. But that uses a ton of battery and puts off a ton of heat. That’s my favorite thing about my M1 Mac. It has no fan, doesn’t get hot, has TONS of battery, and still performs well. If Intel can match/beat Apple at similar power/thermal levels THATS an achievement.

It's impossible to overstate the quality of life difference this makes. I've had an M1 Pro MBP since launch and I'm still yet to hear the fans come on. I stress tested it by generating a 5 minute music video (fairly complex Magic project) while also building a multi-arch docker image - laptop remained totally cool and silent, and the video rendered in 6 minutes. The same video on my top of the range, maxed out Intel MBP took over 20 minutes to render, got so hot I couldn't touch the bottom of the laptop and sounded like a 747 taking off. And I wasn't simultaneously building a docker image.

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Post by ostenning »

Aperocky wrote: post #47
artursapek wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The M1 is awesome not because of raw horsepower, but because of efficiency.

I love my fanless M1 Air primarily because it's fanless. The 14" pro looks great, but can anyone using it tell me whether the fan ever turns on?

Only time it turns on is when ive been playing Baldurs Gate 3 on extreme settings on my duvet for multiple hours.

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by fold3 »

Aperocky wrote: post #47
artursapek wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. The M1 is awesome not because of raw horsepower, but because of efficiency.

I love my fanless M1 Air primarily because it's fanless. The 14" pro looks great, but can anyone using it tell me whether the fan ever turns on?

I have the 14 pro and it is spookily quiet. Even when being at full load. Though perhaps after many years of dust accumulation this may change over the air. However I watched some tests of the M1 max on YouTube and it does seems like this one can get noisy

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Post by cassianoleal »

cassianoleal wrote: post #86
nightfly wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like my work M1 macbook air, but when battery gets below 10% it seems to get very unhappy... Requires sitting on the charger for a while before it will even start up properly

Interesting. I usually get still 30min-1h out of my M1 MBA on a 10% charge. It usually only hibernates a few minutes after hitting the 1% mark.

Case in point: about 12 minutes ago my laptop informed me the battery is low. It was at 10%. It's now at 9% so I will probably still get over 1h with it.

Edit: I went a total of 64 minutes after hitting 10%. Unfortunately the whole OS crashed at that point. I have been having issues with running 2 network extensions simultaneously, and I have a feeling the crash was more related to that than to running out of battery.

It took 10s after I plugged it into the mains for it to respond to the power button. Had this been a regular hibernate instead of a crash, I would have expected to be back at a fully usable desktop in less than 30s total. Unfortunately it took about 1 minute to fully boot and reopen all apps, which all things considered is not bad at all.

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Post by Tagbert »

nightfly wrote: post #27
hamandcheese wrote: post #25

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I am always within 1 minutes of a charger. My i9 MacBook still dies on me all the time. Get to 5% and go to the bathroom? Oops, it died, and I can’t join my next meeting on time. Start a call at 10% battery? Will definitely have to interrupt to go plug in. I want performance and battery.

I like my work M1 macbook air, but when battery gets below 10% it seems to get very unhappy... Requires sitting on the charger for a while before it will even start up properly

Battery charge is really an estimate, not an absolute measurement. It is based on , among other things, the drop in voltage as the battery charge gets low. If your battery management system is a little off in calibration, that 10% could be closer to 5%.

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Post by watersb »

I really want to know how much power a typical 12th-gen Intel i9 laptop will require, with a number of web pages open in Windows, Windows Terminal with an Ubuntu shell open, just sitting there as I read HN.

Which is to say, mostly idle.

Next level, let's say you also have Dropbox installed and mostly up to date, not obviously indexing or whatever.

I'm getting some strange numbers from my MacBook Air M1, like 25 milliWatts of SoC power draw. 0.025 Watts. That doesn't include the display (5 Watts?) etc.

Windows Performance Monitor would show me a battery discharge of about 7 Watts on my little HP Stream 11, under roughly these conditions.

Such low end might not seem relevant to you, but it covers most of my usage. VS Code, web pages, files.

I try to keep the M1 MacBook Air away from direct contact with my skin, because my body, at ~ 36 C, is hotter than its idle operating temperature.

My old Ivy Bridge laptops can't tie their shoes at anything under 50 degrees C.

Re: Intel claims new i9 is faster than M1 Max

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Post by n7pdx »

PragmaticPulp wrote: post #13

They're specifically talking about the mobile part here. But it's not hard to believe that it will outrun the M1 Max in multithreaded benchmarks, and likely even single-threaded benchmarks. Intel's latest desktop parts are already faster than an M1 Max by a not-insignificant amount, and this is just a lower-power version. Intel's Alder Lake desktop parts are already surprisingly power efficient (ignoring the heavily…

Right, it is actually possible Intel found the one set of multi-threaded tests where they can lower the voltage/frequency to match the M1 Pro/Max power consumption and just edge ahead on performance due to sheer thread count. Apple decided their high-end laptop needed x number of cores, Intel can always grab a desktop part with x+n cores, shove it into a laptop, and claim a victory.

Makes for a good marketing slide. Does not say a whole lot about the whole package, or every other workload besides this one that laptops might run. Say for example, single thread power efficiency, or anything that needs a GPU and won't drain the battery in 30 minutes.

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