Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
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Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#2Just a reminder here folks that anyone can sue for anything. That doesn't mean that evidence will show any of the claims are true, but it will be interesting to follow and see what evidence they claim to have. Note Google is now incorporated in Delaware so it does seem that venue may be an issue.
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#3Would Apple be a monopoly if they did enter the 'search' business? Google at least can leave Android free, and people that ship it able to customize as well as customers able to switch search providers. Apple would have a very vertically integrated stack, and would they allow anyone else making a phone equal access?
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#4Would Apple be a monopoly if they did enter the 'search' business? Google at least can leave Android free, and people that ship it able to customize as well as customers able to switch search providers. Apple would have a very vertically integrated stack, and would they allow anyone else making a phone equal access?
How can they be a monopoly with a 15% market share in smart phones (Q2 ‘21 sales) and similarly low market shares in other areas?
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#5Would Apple be a monopoly if they did enter the 'search' business? Google at least can leave Android free, and people that ship it able to customize as well as customers able to switch search providers. Apple would have a very vertically integrated stack, and would they allow anyone else making a phone equal access?
Android isn’t free. There is a free kernel but so much of what is useful and expected by users is now wrapped up in play services.
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#6Would Apple be a monopoly if they did enter the 'search' business? Google at least can leave Android free, and people that ship it able to customize as well as customers able to switch search providers. Apple would have a very vertically integrated stack, and would they allow anyone else making a phone equal access?
How can they be a monopoly with a 15% market share in smart phones (Q2 ‘21 sales) and similarly low market shares in other areas?
Apple users are richer, so Apple users' share of search ad revenues is a lot bigger than Apple's apparent 15% market share.
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#7Would Apple be a monopoly if they did enter the 'search' business? Google at least can leave Android free, and people that ship it able to customize as well as customers able to switch search providers. Apple would have a very vertically integrated stack, and would they allow anyone else making a phone equal access?
Android isn’t free. There is a free kernel but so much of what is useful and expected by users is now wrapped up in play services.
I've never paid to use play services. If you did, you were scammed
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
Android isn’t free. There is a free kernel but so much of what is useful and expected by users is now wrapped up in play services.
I've never paid to use play services. If you did, you were scammed
You do not understand how it is not free: It's sold to OEMs in exchange for control of their devices and mandatory placements. In countries who have working antitrust law, Google now charges OEMs for Play Services access per device, where they cannot legally force the OEM to default to Chrome and Google Search. And you, as the consumer, pay for it with literally all of your privacy.
Re: Lawsuit filed alleging Google is paying Apple to stay out of the search business
#10Would Apple be a monopoly if they did enter the 'search' business? Google at least can leave Android free, and people that ship it able to customize as well as customers able to switch search providers. Apple would have a very vertically integrated stack, and would they allow anyone else making a phone equal access?
Apple is a monopoly in tech just like Louis Vuitton is a monopoly in luggage, so no. Okay, maybe for US it's Samsonite but for the rest of the world Apple is more like Louis Vuitton - a premium brand that is one of the leaders in design that everyone else follows. Just being popular in some circles doesn't change the fact that they hold a minority share in the market. Maybe people in Orange County might believe that Louis Vuitton is a monopoly but it's not.
Apple do control the reach of search engines to their customers in a similar manner of LV might choose to allow Cartier sell bracelets in their shops instead designing and selling their own bracelets. The point is, people can always go to Chanel if that arrangement doesn't fit them.
At worst, it could be a situation where the clients of a company are not happy with the recent products and they need to start buying from another shop.
I don't see how regulators should intervene in this. If not happy, go buy Samsung or Google pixel.