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No Way to Grow Up

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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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From a practical perspective: outfitting every student with a VR setup sounds very expensive.

For now. But at the end of the day a Quest is essentially a smart phone with a nice screen attached to your face. There’s no reason this hardware can’t come down in price. I mean the thing is only $300 as it is. Plenty of wealthier schools send every kid home with a Chromebook of similar price. I believe broadband access is the bigger hurdle to having every kid attend in VR. When schools closed during the pandemic th…

yea, i agree that broadband access is vital - not just for education, but for everything. It's the new roads and rail of the 21st century. Broadband should be a public utility, regulated as such and invested in as such imho.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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I know it's intimidating to go places alone and try to make friends there, it's what a lot of us have had to do any time we moved away from our social groups.

Finding a new group of friends who disregard health experts isn't exactly a great long-term plan. It's amazing that everyone's responses are basically, "the answer is simple! we just completely ignore the experts! we've been doing it all along!" I'm wondering when even the experts start saying "Damn this isn't worth it". What year of masking, remote learning, social distancing, etc. do they start to give up too? 3 ye…

Giving up is the long term plan, what makes it worse if your new friends are there already?

Is it more comfortable to wait for your current friends to decide that it’s not worth it to social distance so they socialize more?

BTW School is open, kids are in-person. Indoor masking is here to stay wherever there are humans.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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It's amazing to me that this article presents the "hard choices" as mostly "should we trade off harming children against harming adults ?", rather than "should we trade off not harming anyone against people's freedom to choose to go about their normal lives while unvaccinated ?" and only mentions the unvaccinated offhandedly. It's less that the US has chosen to prioritize adults over children and thus children are su…

Will it even help? In what country did it help? France mandated vaxx passports literally everywhere (pretty much like you suggest) and yet they reported, what, 270k cases just today? Why do you expect a different result in the US from the very same policy?

I don't know what exactly France did and why it does or doesn't work for them, but the article was less about the net number of new cases, and more about the impact of shutting down schools/society.

We know that, if you're vaccinated, you're both less likely to get COVID (not necessarily unlikely, with the new super-infectious variants, but less likely), and once you have it, are less likely to have a high viral load and thus spread it, especially if you don't have symptoms. If we knew that, for example, all of the diners and all of the staff at a restaurant were fully vaccinated, then the likelihood of catching COVID at that restaurant would be drastically reduced -- we'd still be exposed to the odd symptomless-but-contagious person as well as to the occasional person who has symptoms but decided to dine out anyhow, but it'd be very different math than "anyone working or dining here may not be vaccinated in the first place and may have attended an unvaxxed 300-person indoor wedding two days ago".

Same with schools: today, you can be an anti-vaxxer and send your kids to the same school as mine. Being an anti-vaxxer not only means that you're not vaccinated, but also that you're more likely to discount the entire pandemic and spend time in large gatherings with other unvaccinated people. And of course your children go with you. And you pick them up from school, and go to their basketball practice, and attend meetings.

By allowing willfully-unvaccinated people to seamlessly mingle with the rest of society, we're increasing everyone's risk. No one claims that by doing this we'll bring the number of cases down to zero, that's not actually the point. The point is that we'll be far less likely to catch COVID at any regulated place.

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You think democrats are the left?

I love this talking point, because in comparision to basically every country, US Democrats are socially very far left. It's only fiscally where they are more moderate. Which is basically the opposite of what most Americans want, yet they seem confused on why they struggle.

And what is more important? Saying "nice" things, or actually passing legislation that affects the main lever of power in our country?

"They say things very far left( arguable ), but the way they govern is extremely moderate."

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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The schools are funded with rivers of cash. It's simply squandered. More money won't help (that's been tried many times). To make schools safe is simple - hold classes outside. It won't work everywhere everytime, but it can work enough. It'll work fine in California, Arizona, Seattle most of the time, etc.

> The schools are funded with rivers of cash. It's simply squandered. More money won't help (that's been tried many times). Sigh. This simply isn't true. I'm no fan of the Gates Foundation as I think they helicopter in, muck everything up, and then leave picking up the pieces to the locals after they leave again. However, their transparency was at least useful. If you want effective education in younger students, it…

Here is the original link to the Gates Foundation report from 2014: "Lessons from Research and the Classroom: Implementing High-Quality Pre-K that Makes a Difference for Young Children"

https://docs.gatesfoundation.org/documents/Lessons%20from%20...

Everything in the report is 2012 dollars. Scale appropriately for today. Boston Pre-K is about $15K now while New Jersey would be about $18K now. These are minimums. More money doesn't guarantee success, but less money almost guarantees failure.

And here is a link talking about Martin Walsh (Mayor of Boston) trying to get the money to pay for what that report calls an "exemplar program": https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/02/22/metro/eight-years-aft...

All of the other exemplar programs were cancelled for lack of funding.

You can persist in believing that there is some magic pot of money flying around education, or you can simply observe cancelled successful programs and teachers asking for donations to buy school supplies.

Your call.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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I think you can start college pretty much at any age as long as you don't already have a degree. It's obviously a huge luxury to do so, but I think you're missing out on so much social and intellectual development if you do college now that it may be worth holding out for 3 years (or maybe more). I'm not saying that college now is completely worthless, but looking from the outside and listening to what students are s…

At some point you get too old and you outgrow your college peer group. I think 2 years is the most id recommend. College is like 30% study 30% social and 40% getting the initial experience that you can use to start that first job.

This doesn't pass the smell test to me. Plenty of seniors were friends with freshman and sophomores at my university. Maybe it's a bit rare to see an outgoing senior hanging out with a fresh out of high school freshman but less extreme examples were super common.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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And what is going to happen? Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools? Hell, Anything? No. Nothing is ever done. Nothing ever happens except decay. The United States is spinning down its governmental duties. The pendulum will swing right again, and that will be the death blow. They will continue to gut public and infrastructure programs. All 3 branches will finally truly be a jobs program for the upper cl…

>And what is going to happen? Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools? Actually, a pediatric emergency was just declared [0]. And both Republicans and Democrats passed a $250 Million bill to provide rapid support for children's mental health. A Dr friend described it as "if I'm seeing a child and I'm concerned he/she is suffering from depression, I can be on the phone with one of the top 5 experts in the…

I find it funny how there is a separation between the ideas of mental health and peoples lives, as if there is no relation between the two.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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what did everyone expect to happen? There were plenty sounding this alarm early on in lockdown.

Anyone sounding this alarm, or any other anti-lockdown alarm, was instantly labeled a “Right wing nut” if you recall
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