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No Way to Grow Up

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Post by diebeforei485 »

ilteris wrote: post #367

I don't give a shit what the article says or specifically points to but I can tell you this much. I am a dad of a 6 year old. My kid goes to public school in NYC and last year was bad... They did a test at the beginning of this year before the start of the first grade and her results were awful. This is an unprecedented event and everyone is clueless including in education. I don't make a big deal about the test resu…

I feel like European countries handled school much better. Rapid tests 1-2 times a week for all students.

Meanwhile in the USA, private schools stayed open the whole time (with the exception of March-May 2020) while public schools in San Francisco were shut until January 2021.

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Post by adolph »

refurb wrote: post #441
crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #253

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First, let's learn to account for emotional, mental, spiritual costs. Then we can talk about the productivity hit.

Ok, how do you measure spiritual costs?

Underrated comment. In the spring of 20 all the talk of what was essential and what wasn’t lead me to believe that just about everything shut down was actually the things that made life worth living for many people.

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Post by rdtwo »

tschwimmer wrote: post #384
rdtwo wrote: post #271

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You but how long… gap year seemed like a good move at pandemic start but is been 2 years now with no End in sight

I think you can start college pretty much at any age as long as you don't already have a degree. It's obviously a huge luxury to do so, but I think you're missing out on so much social and intellectual development if you do college now that it may be worth holding out for 3 years (or maybe more). I'm not saying that college now is completely worthless, but looking from the outside and listening to what students are s…

At some point you get too old and you outgrow your college peer group. I think 2 years is the most id recommend. College is like 30% study 30% social and 40% getting the initial experience that you can use to start that first job.

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Post by rdtwo »

runako wrote: post #413
rdtwo wrote: post #373

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The performance metric always includes number of open days. That’s why they add days if you get too many snow days. Those extra days have no impact on education. The goal is set with the legacy expectation that women will stay home and do childcare but that isn’t a reality for many folks. So schools have an equally important child care role. For many folks the problem of unreliable child care can be worse than no chi…

Here's the situation on Day 1 return from vacation in my district: - ~20% of the teachers at one school out sick - classrooms being combined due to low staff. Some classrooms combined across grade levels. - Substitutes in many classrooms. Administration staff being used as substitutes. This is all before we are passed the median incubation period for New Year's Eve infections, so I would expect staffing levels to con…

That sounds like a terrible situation. Sorry you have to deal with that. When things are that dire I guess you have to prioritize what’s important. From what you describe they are prioritizing for child care. The older kids probably need more education focus the k-5 kids need the child care. That’s probably administratively hard to pull off though.

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Post by quadrifoliate »

jdminhbg wrote: post #457
quadrifoliate wrote: post #414

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American society depends on personal responsibility in the aspects of healthcare, retirement, and employment. Your child's education is usually an honorable exception to this in that it's totally government run and borderline volunteer-run, but funding for that is not adequate to the point where you can reasonably expect it to continue as usual in the midst of a global pandemic. The sooner you can come to terms with…

> funding for that is not adequate to the point where you can reasonably expect it to continue as usual in the midst of a global pandemic The US spends way more on education per capita than many countries that were able to keep their schools open during 2020-2021: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd

> The US spends way more on education per capita than many countries that were able to keep their schools open during 2020-2021: https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd

The US also spends way more on healthcare and has worse outcomes. Those countries also have way different societies, taxation regimes, healthcare, attitudes towards vaccination, and social safety nets. It's hard to find a country that you can fairly compare the US to in all respects.

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Post by rdtwo »

ajmurmann wrote: post #329
rdtwo wrote: post #257

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This is trying to manufacture Consensus on giving up and do natural immunity from the left

I'm not saying that I agree or disagree with the actual content of the article. My statement was purely about the criticism on liberal politicians adapting something they read in the NYT. I think it's in general a positive if someone is able to change their views and revise their position when me information gets presented. Ideally we'd all be open to that regardless of the source. I know I'd be positively surprised…

NYT ist so much liberal as it is corporate democrat. As such they have way more in common with the Republican Party (pre trump) than they do with say Bernie or actual liberals. So it’s not at all surprising to see what would traditionally be republican ideas come from them.

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Post by gromitss »

honkycat wrote: post #399

And what is going to happen? Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools? Hell, Anything? No. Nothing is ever done. Nothing ever happens except decay. The United States is spinning down its governmental duties. The pendulum will swing right again, and that will be the death blow. They will continue to gut public and infrastructure programs. All 3 branches will finally truly be a jobs program for the upper cl…

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Post by gromitss »

lucaspm98 wrote: post #459
honkycat wrote: post #420

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How could you argue we have gone "hard left" exactly? What is an event or piece of legislation that has been passed?

Socially and culturally it's undeniable, it's now completely unacceptable in my professional and social circles to publicly support one of our two political parties. Politically, outside of the obvious 2020 election, there has been unbridled and unprecedented government spending since at least the beginning of the pandemic. Whether it was justified is up for debate, we likely still haven't realized all of the effects…

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Post by galaxyLogic »

323 wrote: post #289
galaxyLogic wrote: post #240

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Nobody wants to get the disease which POSSIBLY could kill them or put them to hospital and perhaps financially bankrupt them and or give them bad long-term health outcomes. That has an effect on the behavior of everybody, except of course those who believe Covid is a "democratic hoax". Also with an evolving disease you don't know what its death-rate will be and it will depend on the preventive measures you and the go…

> mortality rate is 7.5% in Mexico That is probably the CFR (case fatality rate). This depends on actually testing. If you don't test mild or asymptomatic cases, the mortality will look way larger. But we know the actual global mortality, is about 0.7%.

A link to that data would be nice thanks
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