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Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by geoduck14 »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #387
ianbicking wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I think I must have missed the point at which classrooms took on a responsibility for parental productivity?" Why the resentful reaction? Schools DO increase parent productivity, and that's one among many positive features of a school. It's not a bad thing! I'm proposing that the cost benefit analysis would show that we should invest more in keeping schools safely open, and doing so will probably pay off immediately…

> Schools DO increase parent productivity, and that's one among many positive features of a school. It's not a bad thing! It certainly isn't. What I'm saying is that: - Your repeated statement that "Schools increase parent productivity" is far from proven in the first place (see the point about summer, which is not consider a major 'productivity hit' event at most companies, unlike Christmas or Thanksgiving). - And e…

>Schools increase parent productivity

I'm a parent, and I work-from-home. We just had winter break. I had 2 kids not in school and 2 kids not in day care. I definitely had a productivity drop.

I had a meeting where all 4 kids took turns interrupting me. I had things to do, and a daughter would "just appear" and ask me about some weird question. They would come in each afternoon and ask me when I was going to finish work amd play with them - and yes, I played with them (no regrets!).

Also, my oldest daughter tested positive for covid yesterday, so we kept all 4 home today. Even with my wife handling the "learning form home", I still got interrupted: how do I log in, what do I need to learn, where is the website, can I eat "this".

I'm not sure I follow your point of separating productivity hits from summer/Thanksgiving/Christmas. My points about these past 2 weeks hold for thr upcoming summer.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by slavik81 »

geoduck14 wrote: post #405
honkycat wrote: post #399

And what is going to happen? Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools? Hell, Anything? No. Nothing is ever done. Nothing ever happens except decay. The United States is spinning down its governmental duties. The pendulum will swing right again, and that will be the death blow. They will continue to gut public and infrastructure programs. All 3 branches will finally truly be a jobs program for the upper cl…

>And what is going to happen? Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools? Actually, a pediatric emergency was just declared [0]. And both Republicans and Democrats passed a $250 Million bill to provide rapid support for children's mental health. A Dr friend described it as "if I'm seeing a child and I'm concerned he/she is suffering from depression, I can be on the phone with one of the top 5 experts in the…

With 73 million children in the United States, that's $3.74 per child. I don't think a phone call with a doctor can actually solve the problems that most of these kids face, but even if it could, how much healthcare can you buy with pocket change?

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Post by maxerickson »

geoduck14 wrote: post #405
honkycat wrote: post #399

And what is going to happen? Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools? Hell, Anything? No. Nothing is ever done. Nothing ever happens except decay. The United States is spinning down its governmental duties. The pendulum will swing right again, and that will be the death blow. They will continue to gut public and infrastructure programs. All 3 branches will finally truly be a jobs program for the upper cl…

>And what is going to happen? Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools? Actually, a pediatric emergency was just declared [0]. And both Republicans and Democrats passed a $250 Million bill to provide rapid support for children's mental health. A Dr friend described it as "if I'm seeing a child and I'm concerned he/she is suffering from depression, I can be on the phone with one of the top 5 experts in the…

That's around $5 per child age 5-11.

About $2 per person under age 18.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by clairity »

StevePerkins wrote: post #185

> "For the past two years, Americans have accepted more harm to children in exchange for less harm to adults. " The overall tone and style of this article is just... I don't know. As a parent of elementary school children, I spent 2020 and 2021 seeing this stuff first-hand. Having arguments with other (non-parent) liberal friends on social media. Once they discovered that I was out of step on this one item of the cur…

> "The New York Times ... FUCK YOU."

i'm so glad more and more people are coming to this realization. the nytimes is an awful news source, npr as well, for their unadulterated power bias: they want, and want to support, (democrat) power, and will run with any democrat narrative that meets that objective. it simply doesn't matter if the narrative has factual basis, or if a 180° reversal is required, as repetition will be used to ingrain it in sympathetic minds to be broadcast into enclaves and social groups all over.

it literally feels like 1984's "ministry of truth" being actualized. we need more independent thinkers cutting through this bullshit.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by gruez »

hattmall wrote: post #337
ajmurmann wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"For the past two years, large parts of American society have decided harming children was an unavoidable side effect of Covid-19." This sentence also implied that there had been consensus about what the trade-off is which I don't think everyone would agree with. I definitely know some parents who are afraid if their children returning to badly ventilated classrooms

There have been large districts that have been open almost the entire time. The impact between those and other communities where schools have remained closed / virtual for nearly two years is minimal. My nieces went to a lower income Atlanta area public school. In March of 2020 when they switched to virtual leaning my niece was one of 6 children who ever logged in to do virtual assignments... from her entire grade! S…

>and they had so many problems with students bringing contraband including guns to school

covid measures caused... kids to bring guns to school? wtf?

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Post by throwoutway »

honkycat wrote: post #399

And what is going to happen? Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools? Hell, Anything? No. Nothing is ever done. Nothing ever happens except decay. The United States is spinning down its governmental duties. The pendulum will swing right again, and that will be the death blow. They will continue to gut public and infrastructure programs. All 3 branches will finally truly be a jobs program for the upper cl…

> The pendulum will swing right again

> Everyone but the most wealthy will live like dogs

These two points confict. Maybe the left should stop trying to raise the SALT tax deductions that the right reduced?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/22/democr...

And I say this as someone that would benefit from raising the SALT taxes. It is wrong for them to try to raise it

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by maxerickson »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #280
ianbicking wrote: post #239

I'd love to see an emotionless cost-benefit analysis of different approaches to handling schools in the pandemic. I suspect the cost of closed schools far exceeds what we intuitively think, since it's not just the educational loss now, it's the cost of future mitigations due to the problems we're causing, and a large cost of lost productivity by parents. How many person-hours of lost productivity is there for each da…

> How many person-hours of lost productivity is there for each day a classroom is closed? At least a hundred per classroom, more than a thousand for each day a school is closed. I think I must have missed the point at which classrooms took on a responsibility for parental productivity? If so, does parental productivity also fall drastically during summer when schools have holidays? Stresses by the pandemic itself hav…

The cost-benefit is there regardless of whether the responsibility is there. Path A will have Path A costs and benefits, Path B will have Path B costs and benefits.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by honkycat »

throwoutway wrote: post #426
honkycat wrote: post #399

And what is going to happen? Pass a bill to provide additional support to schools? Hell, Anything? No. Nothing is ever done. Nothing ever happens except decay. The United States is spinning down its governmental duties. The pendulum will swing right again, and that will be the death blow. They will continue to gut public and infrastructure programs. All 3 branches will finally truly be a jobs program for the upper cl…

> The pendulum will swing right again > Everyone but the most wealthy will live like dogs These two points confict. Maybe the left should stop trying to raise the SALT tax deductions that the right reduced? https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/nov/22/democr... And I say this as someone that would benefit from raising the SALT taxes. It is wrong for them to try to raise it

You think democrats are the left?

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Post by djrogers »

honkycat wrote: post #420
lucaspm98 wrote: post #415

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is a highly political, opinionated, and pessimistic take. You can just as easily say that the "pendulum swing" hard left has been causing our current issues, and that at least a balancing out could be a natural and needed correction.

How could you argue we have gone "hard left" exactly? What is an event or piece of legislation that has been passed?

Some would say that spending $6 trillion in Ill leave the judgement to you, but it’s pretty obvious that things are not the same today as they were 3 years ago.

Re: No Way to Grow Up

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Post by newaccount2021 »

nostrademons wrote: post #325
323 wrote: post #281

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Times have changed, we are more sensitive now to death. In the past it was considered normal to lose 50k soldiers in a war, have 3 of your kids die as infants, ...

Also note that COVID has killed more people than combat deaths in all U.S. wars combined . U.S. COVID death toll is now 826K, combat death toll for major U.S. wars is a total of 666K: 291K for WW2, 214K for the Civil War, 53K for WW1, 47K for Vietnam, 33K for Korea, and then numbers start getting negligible. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_military_casualt... It's also passed the death toll in the U.S. fr…

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